Spare a thought for the 'poor' muslims

So 'British people' eat 'English' breakfast and go to 'English' pubs??

Hmmm...

And I don't want to live in a tree (Cypress [sic])
 
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the point i am making is people tend to congregate especially when they feel under threat
i thought it was ironic i watched a program last year where brits in spain where blamed by locals for the housing shortage the hospital problems and over streaching local schools and facilities so it happens everywhere

i dont mind in the least if you find the need to pick on my bad grammer and miss spelling if it make you feel better or helps you i am glad
i will apologise for the odd strainge letter as my laptop has a shorter "space bar " so my fat finger finds all sortys
off extra letters :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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I'll forgive you BA...

Just one of my pet hates when British and English are used synonomously as if the contributions of The Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish are to be forgotten (yep - I await being flamed for that comment!)

Personally, when I go abroad, the LAST place I want to be is a Brit-type place. I go to a foreign clime to try the food, see the sights and, where possible, interact with the locals. My view is that if I wanted to eat British grub and drink in a British pub, I could stay at home and save all the hassle of packing and flights.

IMHO, one of the issues is education. Everyday individuals from many non-English speaking countries are taught to speak English [and other languages] as well as their own language. That, in itself, helps integration even if only on a holiday scale.

Where I grew up, the last two years of primary school and the first two years of secondary involved mandatory teaching of second language with the choice of taking a third language after the second year of secondary[ if the second language results were good enough] The secondary school element also included exchange trips etc.

As a result, I actually wanted to integrate and try and speak the language when visiting other countries. I think my whole approach to other countries was the better for it. At least the learning of another language gave an insight into other cultures and values.

All too often we see the 'they should all speak English' attitude with any attempts at speaking 'foreign' entails speaking very loudly, adding 'o' to the end of words and gesticulating wildly.

Such attitudes inevitably lead to the isolationism you spoke about where Brits go abroad and stick to Brit food, Brit pubs and other places and areas which cater to Brits and the Brit way of life.

Just my tuppence worth though.

BTW - I suffer from 'Edward Sausagehands' as well but only on my mobile where the keys are far too small.
 
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laws evolve all the the time not to accommodate" them" but "us " as the British people

if you go to spain cypress or other places Brits move to to live yes some will intigrate but lots wont they will congregate where they serve English breakfast and Sunday lunches in "English" pubs
its quite natural especially if there's tension because off local or national problems that in general will often be blamed on the nearest minority often least able to defend them selves

But do they announce on Spanish tv 'Please spare a thought for the poor Christians who have to eat egg & bacon'?
 
I've heard grossly anti-semitic views from one British Muslim, that Hitler had not gone far enough. There is a general antipathy to Jews, due presumably to Israel, and what Arabs (rightly in my view) see as an injustice to Arabs living in what was the Mandate of Palestine. Sadly our bumbling in the Middle East does tend to alienate Muslims. I can see why.

We seem to be straying into another topic which has, incidentally, been discussed on here before. Personally, I'm in favour of the creation of the state of Israel. Why shouldn't the Jews have a homeland of their own, and isn't the land now called Israel historically their homeland?
Moreover, it is surrounded on all sides by muslim countries who would dearly like to see the Jews kicked out into the sea, as if they don't have enough space in their own, overwhelmingly larger, territories.

If we turn against UK Muslims that will just make things worse, making them turn inwards. We have to integrate them. I guess the way to do that is to improve community relations to the extent that they turn in 'their own' nutters.
For how many years have they had the opportunity to integrate? And WE have to integrate THEM?
It seems to me that they would like US to integrate with THEM! Why should we?
As someone wrote earlier, laws have been changed to accommodate them and their demands. Have we made similar concessions for other religions who, incidentally, manage to live in this country without making the demands that muslims do?
Personally, I'm sick and tired of hearing apologists telling me that everything is all our fault.

I'm certainly not saying this is our fault, although we did let in huge numbers of people from certain countries, you might allow me that one self criticism? :) I do worry that there are some areas where some immigrants do not seem to integrate.

Regarding Israel, well that is a huge subject isn't it. One view is that the region was occupied by Arabs, with very few Jews, until we took control in ~1918, and allowed uncontrolled immigration of Jews, much to the annoyance of the locals. Then the Jews declared they wanted their own state. At the close of WW2, there was widespread dislike of the Jews (pogroms occurred in Eastern Europe after VE day). Hardly surprising they went elsewhere. Of course there is another narrative from most Jews. But both sides have right and wrong on their side and have to compromise. But they won't, and it will remain a reason for some fruit cakes to murder innocent people.
 
laws evolve all the the time not to accommodate" them" but "us " as the British people

if you go to spain cypress or other places Brits move to to live yes some will intigrate but lots wont they will congregate where they serve English breakfast and Sunday lunches in "English" pubs
its quite natural especially if there's tension because off local or national problems that in general will often be blamed on the nearest minority often least able to defend them selves
And do British emigrants to Spain, Cyprus and other places demand that the indigenous population change their ways - and their laws - to suit them?
 
people can demand what they like
things will only change when the majority agree
 
people can demand what they like
things will only change when the majority agree
I'm sure the majority disagree with many things that come about, such as the muslim paedophile gangs' doings being swept under the carpet, for example, and halal slaughter without pre-stunning.
 
people can demand what they like
things will only change when the majority agree
I'm sure the majority disagree with many things that come about, such as the muslim paedophile gangs' doings being swept under the carpet, for example, and halal slaughter without pre-stunning.

Don't you think it unfair to characterise a group by a couple of unpleasant aspects. We could say the majority disagree with binge drinking and violence outside pubs, to malign the British, or paedophine priests and IRA terror to malign Catholics or the Irish. Obviously I oppose predominantly Muslim paedophile gangs, and cruel slaughter practices, but if you want to characterise all Muslims in that manner, then that is dumb.

If what you are saying is simply that we should openly talk about those things, then yes, I agree. It pees me off when some lefties forbid all discussion of certain subjects.
 
I'm with Hawkeye.

When you consider what the mainstream media does and does not report (and the inane way they do it) you can draw no conclusion other than they are told what to say.
 
with respect you c an draw several conlusions if you lucky one or more will be close or accurate at best at worst miles out
 
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