The world world is Jewish. Must be a conspiracy. I do have a sudden craving for a salt beef bagel. Oh no, have those evil Jews put something into the water. I'm turning into a Jew. Nooooo 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/709128.stm
No doubt the BBC is also Jewish.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/709128.stm
No doubt the BBC is also Jewish.
You were born one.
According to Holocaust eyewitness's themselves the Germans devised a way of using bodies to burn other bodies. apparently an emaciated body has less water content than a fresh body so therefor burns better, if burned along with a fresh corpse the emaciated body will help evaporate of water content in the fresh body therefor reducing to time required to cremate both bodies, the only problem is that if a body is emaciated it may not have much water content but it wont have much body fat either so one would cancel out the other and I can't see skin and bone have anything near the calorific value of coke or coal.Don't know where you got that from but I never said it. The facts I did quote are from people at the time who had no reason to make anything up.You should do some more research mate, according to the "records" no more than 38 of the 52 ovens were operational at any one time, there were periods of idleness recorded as well as breakdowns.It's not the same as a modern situation. The majority of the bodies they were dealing with were skin and bone with virtually no fat and very low levels of water, typically less than 50kg or 60kg. They also weren't concerned with decent treatment of the bodies. The Topf and sons ovens were also industrial types originally designed for large animals and adapted for human use. It's also recorded that many bodies were under cremated and archaeologists have specifically commented on that fact. So 90 to 120 minutes is viable and I see no technical problem with that.Err no they didn't. Common sense should tell you that if it takes a modern cremating oven two hours to burn one body with a burner that looks like a jet fighter afterburner, then to burn two will take four hours and three will take six hours. Putting five bodies in an oven designed to take one body (they don't fit btw) would probably stop the oven from working and put the thing out. Also, the records for the amount of coke used at the camp are available - and nowhere near enough went to that camp to burn millions of bodies. If we can't do it today - then they surely couldn't do it in a wartime camp. Aren't you a structural engineer? Well why don't you understand the first thing about science?
You still haven't addressed the contemporary records. Why would Topf say the capacity was thousands per month? Why did they need 52 ovens? Why did they need over 800 stokers? That's 16 per oven. If you were generous and said four per oven that would be three 8 hour shifts per 24 hours. All these facts from different sources confirm the figures. The German soldier who wrote the report knew nothing of Prufer yet their reports, made at different times, for different reasons, concur.
The Topf ovens were basic coke fired models if you look at some of the original photos of these ovens you can see cremation urns stacked beside the oven, these were for the ashes of the individuals who were cremated, most of what you have posted above is untrue, the claim that you can somehow use human corpses as fuel to cremate other corpses is absurd.
The claim that over a million people were cremated using the 52 Auschwitz ovens doesn't stand up, according to Topf each oven was only guaranteed for 3000 cremations and that is with proper maintenance, regular cleaning ect, so do the sums yourself.
You should also look at the sources of your information, all this stuff about using thin bodies as fuel to cremate fat bodies comes from the same sources that put up the "4 million died here" sign at Auschwitz.
As for the Archaeologists who commented on the fact that some bodies were under cremated , who were these Archaeologists and did they ever see these bodies in person and if they did why didn't they take hair or tissue samples to have them analysed for cyanide poisoning.
According to Holocaust eyewitness's themselves the Germans devised a way of using bodies to burn other bodies. apparently an emaciated body has less water content than a fresh body so therefor burns better, if burned along with a fresh corpse the emaciated body will help evaporate of water content in the fresh body therefor reducing to time required to cremate both bodies, the only problem is that if a body is emaciated it may not have much water content but it wont have much body fat either so one would cancel out the other and I can't see skin and bone have anything near the calorific value of coke or coal.Don't know where you got that from but I never said it. The facts I did quote are from people at the time who had no reason to make anything up.You should do some more research mate, according to the "records" no more than 38 of the 52 ovens were operational at any one time, there were periods of idleness recorded as well as breakdowns.It's not the same as a modern situation. The majority of the bodies they were dealing with were skin and bone with virtually no fat and very low levels of water, typically less than 50kg or 60kg. They also weren't concerned with decent treatment of the bodies. The Topf and sons ovens were also industrial types originally designed for large animals and adapted for human use. It's also recorded that many bodies were under cremated and archaeologists have specifically commented on that fact. So 90 to 120 minutes is viable and I see no technical problem with that.Err no they didn't. Common sense should tell you that if it takes a modern cremating oven two hours to burn one body with a burner that looks like a jet fighter afterburner, then to burn two will take four hours and three will take six hours. Putting five bodies in an oven designed to take one body (they don't fit btw) would probably stop the oven from working and put the thing out. Also, the records for the amount of coke used at the camp are available - and nowhere near enough went to that camp to burn millions of bodies. If we can't do it today - then they surely couldn't do it in a wartime camp. Aren't you a structural engineer? Well why don't you understand the first thing about science?
You still haven't addressed the contemporary records. Why would Topf say the capacity was thousands per month? Why did they need 52 ovens? Why did they need over 800 stokers? That's 16 per oven. If you were generous and said four per oven that would be three 8 hour shifts per 24 hours. All these facts from different sources confirm the figures. The German soldier who wrote the report knew nothing of Prufer yet their reports, made at different times, for different reasons, concur.
The Topf ovens were basic coke fired models if you look at some of the original photos of these ovens you can see cremation urns stacked beside the oven, these were for the ashes of the individuals who were cremated, most of what you have posted above is untrue, the claim that you can somehow use human corpses as fuel to cremate other corpses is absurd.
The claim that over a million people were cremated using the 52 Auschwitz ovens doesn't stand up, according to Topf each oven was only guaranteed for 3000 cremations and that is with proper maintenance, regular cleaning ect, so do the sums yourself.
You should also look at the sources of your information, all this stuff about using thin bodies as fuel to cremate fat bodies comes from the same sources that put up the "4 million died here" sign at Auschwitz.
As for the Archaeologists who commented on the fact that some bodies were under cremated , who were these Archaeologists and did they ever see these bodies in person and if they did why didn't they take hair or tissue samples to have them analysed for cyanide poisoning.
Sounds all a bit odd.
Now, now joe. You know this isn't true - as I conclusively proved some time ago. Maybe you've forgotten this post:The Concentration Camp Crematorium:
One of the main problems with the 6 million jews being murdered claim was disposal of the bodies. It was claimed at Nuremberg that they had been disposed of in the camp crematorium. There were crematorium in each camp, but they simply didn’t have the capacity. Each crematorium oven could burn a body in about one and a half hours, meaning a maximum capacity of 16 bodies every day or just less than 6000 bodies per year per oven. The camps had between four and twelve ovens each giving 24,000 to 72,000 bodies per year maximum at each camp – this still wouldn’t be possible as you can’t run these ovens non-stop without the metal fracturing. Even double or triple loading wouldn’t help as this increased the time to three hours for two bodies or four and a half hours for three bodies. Also bodies aren’t totally reduced by this process and usually leave the pelvis and thigh bones which need crushing with special machinery – no such machinery was found at any of the camps. There is also the problem of fuel as each body would need about 40 kilograms of coke to burn – there is no record of the massive amount of coke required being supplied.
Each oven could only burn less than 6000 bodies per year if working non-stop which isn’t possible without fracturing the metal.
Now, now joe. You know this isn't true - as I conclusively proved some time ago. Maybe you've forgotten this post:The Concentration Camp Crematorium:
One of the main problems with the 6 million jews being murdered claim was disposal of the bodies. It was claimed at Nuremberg that they had been disposed of in the camp crematorium. There were crematorium in each camp, but they simply didn’t have the capacity. Each crematorium oven could burn a body in about one and a half hours, meaning a maximum capacity of 16 bodies every day or just less than 6000 bodies per year per oven. The camps had between four and twelve ovens each giving 24,000 to 72,000 bodies per year maximum at each camp – this still wouldn’t be possible as you can’t run these ovens non-stop without the metal fracturing. Even double or triple loading wouldn’t help as this increased the time to three hours for two bodies or four and a half hours for three bodies. Also bodies aren’t totally reduced by this process and usually leave the pelvis and thigh bones which need crushing with special machinery – no such machinery was found at any of the camps. There is also the problem of fuel as each body would need about 40 kilograms of coke to burn – there is no record of the massive amount of coke required being supplied.
Each oven could only burn less than 6000 bodies per year if working non-stop which isn’t possible without fracturing the metal.
"Hartmut Topf spent most of his life investigating the role his family played at Auschwitz. He was shocked when, as a young boy, he saw his family nameplates across the rows of ovens in news films. He initially said it was unthinkable that his family could have knowingly contributed and set out to find the truth. After years of compiling internal documents from the firm he changed his mind and said they couldn't have not known.
In the early days there were 6 ovens in operation at Auschwitz. An internal memo dated September 1942 records a meeting between Kurt Prufer (Topf engineer/designer) and Obersturmführer Krone who was in charge of ordering equipment at Auschwitz under the building director Kammler. The memo quotes the capacity of the 6 ovens as 250 per day.
The memo goes on to say that another 10 ovens were under construction, which would have a further capacity of 800 per day and another 16 were being redirected from another camp which would add another 800. That's 32 ovens with a capacity of 1850 bodies per day. The letter also says that Krone stated that this number was insufficient and more ovens must be delivered as quickly as possible.
At the peak a total of 52 ovens were in operation at the Auschwitz complex with a capacity of 2650 per day - or 80,000 per month. Nobody denies this, it is a fact detailed in the business documents written at the time. Auschwitz camp reports also note that there are over 800 stokers for the ovens. Again, this can't be denied because it is written fact.
So where does that leave Joe's assertion that mass cremations never happened? In tatters I'd say."
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