Spare a thought for the 'poor' muslims

W W Turkeys>>>>>> That's just a small example of why races and cultures rarely mix well and as a rule prefer the company of people from a shared background with shared values. The powers that be drone on about all this equality and diversity bo11ox, but as you've discovered, it's us ordinary plebs that need to handle the myriad disadvantages every day. I expect they only meet other nationalities when they hire a cheap, foreign nanny.

Idiots who drone on about the wonders of a multicultural society, rarely practice what they preach.

You've highlighted why the middle classes love immigrants, they get cheap labour, and "oh such diversity darling". The working classes are portrayed as ignorant and xenophobic, but in reality immigrants do compete with plumbers, electricians etc, push up house prices and so on. Some of the resentment will be insecurity, blaming others for ones own issues, some will be justified. Immigration is fine in moderation, too much and you get enclaves.

I'm off to find a cheap house in Poland ...
 
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Years ago, they used to go on about Warsaw Pact. It must be pretty empty by now. :D

Seriously, you wouldn't believe how cheap property is in central Europe. Houses in Hungary on .25 acre plot in a village start from approx. £3,000, . Perfectly good houses with large gardens in a village - Czech Republic start from £13,000. Property in UK is way over priced, even when you take higher earnings into account. Future generations will never be able to buy unless the 'bank of mum and dad' has a healthy balance.
 
I'm off to find a cheap house in Poland ...

Years ago, they used to go on about Warsaw Pact. It must be pretty empty by now. :D

Seriously, you wouldn't believe how cheap property is in central Europe. Houses in Hungary on .25 acre plot in a village start from approx. £3,000, . Perfectly good houses with large gardens in a village - Czech Republic start from £13,000. Property in UK is way over priced, even when you take higher earnings into account. Future generations will never be able to buy unless the 'bank of mum and dad' has a healthy balance.
Those prices are amazing! Perhaps emigrating to certain central European countries could be the answer. It would be like becoming a millionaire.
I wonder what healthcare is like over there. I assume that I'd have to pay.
 
Don't worry about healthcare. You won't need it in any of those countries in a few months because The Russians will have shot you.
 
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I'm off to find a cheap house in Poland ...

Years ago, they used to go on about Warsaw Pact. It must be pretty empty by now. :D

Seriously, you wouldn't believe how cheap property is in central Europe. Houses in Hungary on .25 acre plot in a village start from approx. £3,000, . Perfectly good houses with large gardens in a village - Czech Republic start from £13,000. Property in UK is way over priced, even when you take higher earnings into account. Future generations will never be able to buy unless the 'bank of mum and dad' has a healthy balance.

To state the obvious, we have a massive housing shortage. We also have tax reliefs for second home owners and buy to let landlords, which in my view is grossly unfair, but no government would remove them, as they'd lose votes.
 
Ignoring the fact that many second home owners have worked hard and paid tax all their lives, what is grossly unfair is to expect the working taxpayer to fund the bone idle, workshy, responsibility-avoiding lowlife who are assigned council housing generation after generation as if it is a God-given right to expect to be housed all their lives for feck all. Time to put a cap on council tenancies for life for those who make no attempt to gain employment and actually pay their own way. Perhaps then we could actually give housing to those who are in dire need. How many council estates are there up and down the country where unemploy(ed/able) Mum and Dad live a few doors away from single-parent daughter and, a few doors down from that, scrote son and his 'bidey-in'. All on benefits having never worked a day in their lives and having no intention of ever doing so.

Make these people prove they are actively seeking employment or else withdraw their benefits AND their so-called RIGHT to council housing.

Move someone in who actually deserves help instead.

And, before anyone says it, the above is not some crud read in the newspapers or seen on TV, it is a reality based on decades of working in these areas.

BTW - Same goes for those on high incomes who can clearly afford a mortgage but choose not to. Kick them out.

Time we stopped having a go at certain sections of society who worked hard all their lives and never claimed a bean from The State yet are castigated because they have 'bettered themselves'. Lots of those people with second homes are pensioners who paid tax on their wages and are now paying tax on their pensions.

The only time the great unwashed come across tax is when they want to hold down a carpet (which they got 'off the back of a lorry')
 
I was once waiting for a train at Liverpool Street station and there was a group of Eastern European women standing on the platform. There were five of them, with children and in full goat-herding attire. They were all eating peanuts and throwing the shells on the floor. There was a big pile of shells around where they stood. I felt like chopping their heads off but how do you handle five female goat herders? I was pleased to see a member of staff approaching as I thought he might tell them to clear their shyyte up but he just tutted and walked on. I don't know if it's normal to do this sort of thing in the countries they come from or whether they just like to show their utter contempt for the country that's gullible enough to take them in.
 
Don't mention Eastern Europe, shelling and railway stations... joe will appear...

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I was pleased to see a member of staff approaching as I thought he might tell them to clear their shyyte up but he just tutted and walked on.
Did you expect him to stick his neck out?
Either he'd be accused of racism or he'd find a knife in his belly.
 
Ignoring the fact that many second home owners have worked hard and paid tax all their lives, what is grossly unfair is to expect the working taxpayer to fund the bone idle, workshy, responsibility-avoiding lowlife who are assigned council housing generation after generation as if it is a God-given right to expect to be housed all their lives for feck all. Time to put a cap on council tenancies for life for those who make no attempt to gain employment and actually pay their own way. Perhaps then we could actually give housing to those who are in dire need. How many council estates are there up and down the country where unemploy(ed/able) Mum and Dad live a few doors away from single-parent daughter and, a few doors down from that, scrote son and his 'bidey-in'. All on benefits having never worked a day in their lives and having no intention of ever doing so.

Make these people prove they are actively seeking employment or else withdraw their benefits AND their so-called RIGHT to council housing.

Move someone in who actually deserves help instead.

And, before anyone says it, the above is not some crud read in the newspapers or seen on TV, it is a reality based on decades of working in these areas.

BTW - Same goes for those on high incomes who can clearly afford a mortgage but choose not to. Kick them out.

Time we stopped having a go at certain sections of society who worked hard all their lives and never claimed a bean from The State yet are castigated because they have 'bettered themselves'. Lots of those people with second homes are pensioners who paid tax on their wages and are now paying tax on their pensions.

The only time the great unwashed come across tax is when they want to hold down a carpet (which they got 'off the back of a lorry')

Most people who can't afford their own home work hard and pay tax, and I don't see why we should all subsidise those who want to buy a second, or third, home. Buy to let helps drive up prices, meaning that a large number of hard working people are forced to pay large sums out in rent each month. By all means allow second/third home ownership, but I don't see why I should subsidise it with tax reliefs.

Council housing is another issue. Maybe what we need is a scheme whereby the state buys new houses, rents them out at market rate, than after 10 years say, allows the tenant to buy the house at the original market value, plus a small bit extra. Because it has increased in value, they no longer need a deposit, and will get the mortgage. That way the tenant is encouraged to look after the house, and can get onto the housing ladder. There are nurses, coppers etc who are priced out of the market.

What annoys me is scroungers in expensive houses in London say. A colleague is married to a loser. When he went out with her, he saw her father living in a posh house in London. He assumed he was minted. He married her. Turns out she is useless. Walks out of a job after 1 month. Thick as a brick. Lazy. And her father is in a council house! They think the state owes them a living as a right. Useless scroungers!
 
Yes, and, of course, the professional breeders.

I used to do work in a flat occupied by the stereotypical unmarried mother - no offence to the divorced or widowed 'single parents' - she was about twenty, two children, had never had time to have a job.

I'd visit and she'd be there with a couple of similar friends and SEVEN kids.

She once complained when having a new front door fitted that "It was cold" and "The man used my electric for his tools".


There would sometimes be texts saying she could not afford the rent this month - Sent from my iPhone.
However, blame also lies with the benefit office for not paying the landlord direct.
 
WWT - I agree in relation to buy to let properties which is why I did not make mention of it in my initial response. The same goes for those who have a second home in order to profit from it. However, in my own experience, many of those I know who have mortgages on a second home have done so in order to give their progeny a roof over their head. They have all paid their own home mortgages off and taken out a new mortgage for the second property where the son/daughter makes a contribution to the mortgage payments each month. That saves the situation where their progeny have to live with the parents now or in the future. The whole reason for this type of arrangement is to enable offspring to get on the property ladder.

AFAIK, the only tax relief they may get is when it comes to selling a second home - something which they have no intention of doing because it is the son's/daughter/s residence but mortgaged in their own name(s)

AFAIK, even people with a second home for holiday purposes will only get tax relief when it comes to sell (and even then the rules are complex)

Unless you know different?
 
I'm off to find a cheap house in Poland ...

Years ago, they used to go on about Warsaw Pact. It must be pretty empty by now. :D

Seriously, you wouldn't believe how cheap property is in central Europe. Houses in Hungary on .25 acre plot in a village start from approx. £3,000, . Perfectly good houses with large gardens in a village - Czech Republic start from £13,000. Property in UK is way over priced, even when you take higher earnings into account. Future generations will never be able to buy unless the 'bank of mum and dad' has a healthy balance.
Those prices are amazing! Perhaps emigrating to certain central European countries could be the answer. It would be like becoming a millionaire.
I wonder what healthcare is like over there. I assume that I'd have to pay.

We get used to our house prices being the norm. However, because we are expanding our population but failing to build enough houses, our ridiculous prices keep going ever up. Other countries in Europe don't have anything like the pressures on housing supply that we do. Not sure what their health service is like compared to ours, but as we are all in The EU, there wouldn't be any charges for using theirs.
 
Not sure what their health service is like compared to ours, but as we are all in The EU, there wouldn't be any charges for using theirs.
But not when we escape, or when the whole bloody caboodle collapses.

Still, I can live with that. :D
 
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