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I feel I must post this...
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Have you ever chatted with Muslims? The local takeaway was run by Muslims, as are most Indian restaurants. They were very pleasant. I lived in Luton for years, in a Muslim area. They were friendly, pleasant and with a sense of humour. I had a few occasions where they made fun of me, in a nice way, for fun. I'd live in a Muslim area in preference to a poor white one anyday. More peaceful, more friendly. I've worked with many Muslims, most are nice. One was an anti-semite. Then again I don't read the Daily Mail, or believe the anti-Muslim carp in the media. Oh, and I'm white, middle class, politically right of centre, and opposed to the current massive immigration. I am concerned by Islam, or rather by the more extreme ones, as I am concerned by fundamentalist Christians, a nasty bunch. I think you will find most Muslims are as appalled by extremists as we are. Most are just ordinary people, like thee and me. Pity we didn't lock up or deport the nutters, thanks to trendy liberal lefties, that's done the decent Muslims a lot of harm. Ironic really. With a liberal leftie as a friend, who needs enemies?
Regarding the original post, Israelis have a history of lying about the formation of the state of Israel, saying it was always a Jewish area, with few Arabs, that Jews made the land inhabitable and so on.
The trouble is, all the nice, harmless ones (and I'm not so sure that these are genuine sentiments) won't stand a chance against the radicals and fruitcakes. There is a quote somewhere on here about the amiable shopkeeper having to bow to the extremists as they grow in strength and numbers. British authorities help cause this situation by making them a special case and excusing their excesses. I'm sure there are many reasonable people in North Africa, Iraq, etc - but they don't count because the ever present percentage of hardliners and warmongers will make the rest submit. Look at Tunisia: it only took one nutter, supported by the ISIS/Al quaeda network, to bring chaos to the country and it's economy. Imagine when, not if, that happens here again.
Along with some very unpleasant traits (misogyny, animal abuse, homophobia, child molestation, etc, etc, etc), the ROP, wherever they go, will always bring that 'percentage' with them. These are the real bad apples who spoil an already unattractive barrel. The more ROP come, the more that percentage will bite as their numbers grow. It just ain't worth the aggro or the risk - especially as studies show that non-EU migration is a net loss to The UK economy. ROP. What are they for?
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If white people were going around killing Muslims we'd hardly go to the Muslims and say "you sort it". They'd say "It's a white man's problem". So why are we expected to sort out the Muslim problems? Let the Muslims sort out the Muslim problem or send the whole lot to Muslim land.
The idea that good ones will submit to the extremists is balls. We failed to deal with the nutters, thanks to Blair et al and their love of diversity. Interesting that you characterise them in fixed terms rather than individuals. That is also how racism works. And to suggest that Muslims are paedophiles, well, that is best laughed at. As for the other supposed traits, I've seen plenty of homophobic comments on this forum, and as for animal abuse, the way much of our meat is raised is not pleasant. You seem to create a nice clear dichotomy, lovely us, nasty them, with no nuance. I'd rather we have a society that has respect for minorities, but does not pander to them e.g. forced marriage is wrong, and not tolerated. If you look at poor areas of this country, you'll see so-called whites doing nasty things, such as dog fighting. You could focus on Catholicism, and its strict tenets, its preventing contraception in countries where huge birth rates cause huge social problems, and where aids is rife. I guess it is not hard to demonise a group.
Now if there is one group you could pick on, it'd be gypsies. They have poor education, huge crime levels, an unwillingness to follow laws, and so on. I wonder if loads will come over from Rumania?
On the first point, you said "all the nice, harmless ones". Giving one example of someone nice who did something awful does not prove that point. We had a problem with Irish terrorism, and vilification of the masses for the actions of the few.
Secondly, I purposefully did not call you a racist, but I did say you were using a technique used by racists i.e of assuming the whole could be judged by a small part.
Lastly, regarding the irony, guilty as charged M'lud, I ask that extenuating circumstances be taken into account.
But seriously, my interactions with Muslims do not match the nonsense in the Daily Mail. My interactions with gypsies/travellers on the other hand do match the stereotypes. A cricket pitch ruined. A works car park filled with gypsies, with scruffy people and dogs on string, only evicted when armed military police arrived. Nature reserves despoiled, litter dumped with no regard for others. A teacher who told me that when gypsy kids arrived, thefts and ill behaviour soared. I actually do think there is a serious problem among a small minority of militant Muslims, which needs to be tackled. But I won't say they are all like that.
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Huckabee is playing to the Jewish gallery because that is where the money is.
Don't these morons like Huckabee realise they are only fueling anti western hatred among muslims by making these type of statements.
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Over a billion muslims in the world, how many of them are involved in terrorism.
Western support for Israel has destabilised the whole Middle East, the Palestinians are breeding faster than the Israeli's and there are only so many Jewish immigrants to be imported from outside Israel to counterbalance the high Palestinian birth rate.
How much of the current instability is due to Western imperialism? Most I'd say. Support corrupt mafias such as the rulers of Saudi Arabia, what do you expect?
Stereotypes usually exist for a good reason, but are usually inaccurate. The Irish were said to be stupid, presumably because those we saw tended to be navvies i.e. navigation engineers, who dug the canals. Jews were said to be obsessed with money because at one time Christians were banned from lending money, so Jews took up the trade. Indian areas look scruffy, because the Indians/Pakistanis that come here are poor. Look at poor white areas and they are just as bad. In fact poor white areas are much more violent in my experience. But go to your doctor's surgery, and he/she will probably be of Asian descent. Or Jewish. Stereotypes are also exploited by those with a vested interest. Poles were often more than happy to help the Nazis exterminate the Jews, so they could take their wealth.
At least we agree on the gypsies. Proving that stereotypes are usually for a reason. Take that house on the 'Health 'n' Safety' thread.. It's in Birmingham and being tastlessly extended using cheap labour to accommodate a no doubt burgeoning family. Before the OP even stated that it was Indian owned, I along with others knew it would be. We have places like that in Bristol, that we call 'p*ki palaces or balti towers. Always the same. Extended to death using gangs of cement-wallahs with often garish design that is out of keeping. Fleet of ageing Nissans on the drive, NASA sized dish attached to roof to get Delhi telly.
Stereotypes. Can't get enough of them.
Stereotypes usually exist for a good reason, but are usually inaccurate. The Irish were said to be stupid, presumably because those we saw tended to be navvies i.e. navigation engineers, who dug the canals. Jews were said to be obsessed with money because at one time Christians were banned from lending money, so Jews took up the trade. Indian areas look scruffy, because the Indians/Pakistanis that come here are poor. Look at poor white areas and they are just as bad. In fact poor white areas are much more violent in my experience. But go to your doctor's surgery, and he/she will probably be of Asian descent. Or Jewish. Stereotypes are also exploited by those with a vested interest. Poles were often more than happy to help the Nazis exterminate the Jews, so they could take their wealth.
That's nothing.
I'm still struggling with the thread title.
I'm still struggling with the thread title.
Surely, Israel is mentioned in the bible, so must have existed in ancient times. Palestine is also mentioned in the bible, so both countries have a right to exist. (think I'll buy a plot of middle east land and call it Canaan ) Yeah that'd set the cat amongst the pigeons .
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