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Bolo, It wasn't a criticism, merely an observation.
Like two proud peacocks dueling on a crisp winter dawn. I loved it.
Like two proud peacocks dueling on a crisp winter dawn. I loved it.
I think the real question that should be asked is.............. are teachers to blame for the shambles that has replaced discipline in the educational system.
Yes.
Yes.
Parents are to blame boyo.
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Listen up clever b*llocks, the parents are a direct result of what i'm on about.
Badly disciplined parents pass it down to the kids. And so it goes on.
Are you drunk?
No, just comfortably numb.
No.
The government has passed laws that prevent teachers applying 'traditional' discipline. When I was a child I was caned. I deserved it. It did me no long term harm. I do not resent it. In fact, it helped teach me right from wrong.
Today, following a few decades of 'child-centred learning', the situation prevails where a teacher may not even shout at a child. I did. A child was misbehaving and disrupting the lesson. He was preventing the rest of the class from learning. Afterwards, his parents put in an official complaint about me. A hearing was held and I had my union representative present. Prior to that, having suspected trouble, I secretly recorded a one-to-one discussion with the parents in which they lied. In the hearing, they denied such lies but my union rep warned me that it would not be permissible to use the recording to prove their lies. At the end of the day, then, the matter was dropped because there was no proof either way. Had my recording been made public, they would have been in serious trouble.
This is the sort of society we have these days, in which many parents have no respect for teachers. Consequently, their children have no respect for teachers. What is worse, children learn very quickly that there is nothing really that teachers can do to assert their authority.
This is why so many schools are 'failing'. If the truth be known, it is the parents who are failing, or society in general. The damage having been done for several decades now, it is going to be very difficult to undo even assuming there is any political will to make any changes.
Thankfully, there are a few schools (probably mostly fee-paying) in which ALL pupils are there because they wish to learn and their parents wish them to learn. Conversely, I suspect that most state schools contain at least some children (some, I am sure, most children) who have no interest in learning and prefer to spend their day treating school as a joke.
I believe that most, if not all, teachers joined the profession because they want to teach and they want children to learn. Surely, it can't be for the money!
I'm sure there will be many lefty-liberal types, however, who are themselves a product of the 'child-centred' educational system and I'm sure I don't need to explain the consequences of that.
Is that their fault or the fault of the system?
JBR, you're missing the point.
I too was caned. I sat in classrooms that went silent when the teacher walked in.
My point is though, and you know this because we've discussed it before, teachers voted for the abolition of discipline and it came back to bite them on the ass.
The kids that were a direct result of that, then became parents, and then....... We have what we have now.
The teachers aren't blameless.
I too was caned. I sat in classrooms that went silent when the teacher walked in.
My point is though, and you know this because we've discussed it before, teachers voted for the abolition of discipline and it came back to bite them on the ass.
The kids that were a direct result of that, then became parents, and then....... We have what we have now.
The teachers aren't blameless.
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And so did I LMB. BTW, I withdrew the post, not because I was upset by your reply, but because in trying to make a point, I said something that was really quite cruel and that is not what I intended. However, today's the day and thanks to JBR and EFLI, I now have my talk complete with the latter's, "it may have benefitted with a couple of commas but that would not have been technically correct" playing a central role.Like two proud peacocks dueling on a crisp winter dawn. I loved it.
Last word in the thread. EFLI, here is your sentence yet again. Let's see you add a "couple of commas" to make its meaning crystal clear:
"I cannot imagine anyone who can spell thinking like that therefore those in charge must not have been bright enough".
Edit: ps. EFLI, could you reply before lunchtime if possible?
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I hadn't realised that teachers voted for the abolition of the cane although, having worked with them, I can well believe it: many, if not most, teachers are lefty-liberals and read the Grauniad.
Never mind a couple of commas; it needs a full stop.
Sorry, just my fourpenn'orth!
Wot is the perpos of ritten langwaj?
I was counting down the minutes till Dex broke the locks on his coffin.
It was only a matter of time.
It was only a matter of time.
Reminds me of a Simpson's quote: "Marriage is like a coffin with each kid being another nail"I was counting down the minutes till Dex broke the locks on his coffin.
It was only a matter of time.
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