Absolutely!...

JBR · 1 Sep 2015

noseall said:
ajstoneservices said:

Fair enough. Should we go back to the good old days when teachers were able to discipline a child with a slipper, the cane, maybe a punch, the chair, ball-pane hammer or anything else that came to hand.

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The parents won't allow it and nor will their solicitors.

I'm afraid you're right. The problem is with our society as a whole, and that includes trendy lefty-liberal teachers, who themselves are a product of modern society.

The government is attempting to rectify the situation by giving 'problem schools' (read problem children and parents) the title of 'academy' and throwing lots of money at them. In some cases, there may be some superficial improvements, but the root cause - a sick society - remains, all supported by no-win, no-fee lawyers of course.

At the risk of sounding pessimistic, I really don't hold out much hope for improvement in the long term. Changing society back to what it was in, say, the 1950s is almost certainly impossible.

There will always be 'good' and 'bad' in society. If you are lucky enough to live in a 'good' area, the effects of 'the bad' are likely to bypass you. Bearing in mind that politicians, judges and the like invariably live in 'good' areas, there is little wonder that there is no political will to change things.

WalksWithTurkeys · 1 Sep 2015

noseall said:
ajstoneservices said:

Fair enough. Should we go back to the good old days when teachers were able to discipline a child with a slipper, the cane, maybe a punch, the chair, ball-pane hammer or anything else that came to hand.

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The parents won't allow it and nor will their solicitors.

I am probably in the minority here, but I don't think physical punishment is the answer. I recall all too well the bullies at school who thought the way to control others was by physical abuse, as that is how their parents controlled them i.e. corporal punishment. It probably got them to behave when in the presence of their parents, through fear. I know of children who are well behaved at home, but dreadful at school. And vice versa. I'm not against a slap, of the kind that might sting a bit, if a child does really get out of control.

I actually think todays kids are on the whole well behaved and polite. But the problem is the small minority of disruptive ones, who not only annoy others, but damage other kids life chances by disrupting lessons, and encouraging bad behaviour. They are probably largely single parent families, the mother (usually) may have to work long hours, in a poorly paid job, and gets home tired, unable to pay attention to the child, or to a proper diet. And then there are the slobs who behave badly, and we've all seen those.

vinty · 1 Sep 2015

They should bring back the cane, but only for consenting adults.

empip · 1 Sep 2015

Well, it has been said, repeatedly... 'Location, location, location !!'
Lucky or foresight ?
I like to think the latter.
Needs :- A decent pension, location just far enough from city/town centre to be awkward... Near top of a hill - Not en route to a local pub or club !!
No nearby 'travellers' sites - Perfect !!

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WalksWithTurkeys · 1 Sep 2015

vinty said:
They should bring back the cane, but only for consenting adults.

I have heard from an authoritative source that members of the Loards and Houses of Parliament are currently carrying out research on the long term effects of the use of the cane.

Shutpa · 1 Sep 2015

WalksWithTurkeys said:
vinty said:

They should bring back the cane, but only for consenting adults.

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I have heard from an authoritative source that members of the Loards and Houses of Parliament are currently carrying out research on the long term effects of the use of the cane.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/213859-long-term-effects-of-physical-punishment-on-a-child/

JBR · 1 Sep 2015

WalksWithTurkeys said:
I am probably in the minority here, but I don't think physical punishment is the answer.

I think it depends where you are.
If you live in a country where children respect adults and authority figures (China is a good example, as shown on a recent documentary), then physical punishment is rarely necessary.

If you live in a country where society, at least in many locations, has broken down (the UK is a good example), then you either get tough and bring back physical punishment or you accept that you will have to continue to live with things as they are.

EFLImpudence · 1 Sep 2015

When did television abandon its moral attitude and start making tosspot programmes?

noseall · 1 Sep 2015

EFLImpudence said:
When did television abandon its moral attitude and start making tosspot programmes?

In the 1970's.

JBR · 1 Sep 2015

EFLImpudence said:
When did television abandon its moral attitude and start making tosspot programmes?

When society was observed to change, the television companies (especially the commercial ones) realised that in order to achieve high audience numbers they would have to change to accommodate the tastes of the viewing public.

WalksWithTurkeys · 2 Sep 2015

EFLImpudence said:
When did television abandon its moral attitude and start making tosspot programmes?

25 years ago an Aussie I knew was complaing about our shoite TV. No reality TV programmes! Now that is all we have. I think they are cheaper to make, and popular. So when you want an audience to pay advertisers, and a cheap programme, that is what you make. The Beeb has gone that way too, and I think it is because they are trying to do too much i.e. DAB radio, digital TV, online content, online forums, ethnic radio, minority radio, etc etc etc. Too much shoite, not enough quality. IMO.

longdogs · 2 Sep 2015

Hopefully BBQ Champ is as low as it will get.

Scarum · 3 Sep 2015

Absolutely Fabulous was a great reality show about an two alcoholic fashion designers. It made me laugh so much it could have been a comedy!

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