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Has Newboy got to the point yet?
Has he condoned the Nigerians violence?
Has he apologized to Dex yet?
Has he remembered to join in the debate?
Will he stop thinking that we are all racists / bigots?
Will he ever take off his blinkers and consider other posters points of view?

Gasman28 said:

Has he apologized to Dex yet?

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Thanks. I think he and I have developed a working MO which no longer requires appeasement

Gasman28 said:

Has Newboy got to the point yet?
Has he condoned the Nigerians violence?
Has he apologized to Dex yet?
Has he remembered to join in the debate?
Will he stop thinking that we are all racists / bigots?
Will he ever take off his blinkers and consider other posters points of view?

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Maybe not, but it's all good fun....

Gasman28 said:

Has Newboy got to the point yet?

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Probably not - the point seems to have wandered around but I'm genuinely happy to discuss anything

Gasman28 said:

Has he condoned the Nigerians violence?

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No but I've condemned it

Gasman28 said:

Has he apologized to Dex yet?

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I think that we may have established a working method after I tripped up and fell flat on my rather smug face

Gasman28 said:

Has he remembered to join in the debate?

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Yes

Gasman28 said:

Will he stop thinking that we are all racists / bigots?

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I don't believe that you (?) are all racists / bigots - although there are some who I'm convinced are. Although it's fair to say that with no evidence you chose to start labeling me before I responded in kind.

Gasman28 said:

Will he ever take off his blinkers and consider other posters points of view?

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I'm always happy to consider others point of view - the day I know the answer to everything is a long way off! (That's my ex-wife's prerogative).

All that said - I'm love to listen to reasoned argument but, because somebody doesn't agree with a point of view shouldn't result in the immediate branding as a trendy/lefty/tree-hugging/bleeding heart liberal.

No offence intended - simply direct answers to your questions.

newboy said:

I don't believe that you (?) are all racists / bigots - although there are some who I'm convinced are.

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I think this would benefit from some clarification.
How would you define racism?
- The hatred or distrust of someone because of their race?
- The hatred or distrust of someone because of their actions?

JBR said:

newboy said:

I don't believe that you (?) are all racists / bigots - although there are some who I'm convinced are.

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I think this would benefit from some clarification.
How would you define racism?
- The hatred or distrust of someone because of their race?
- The hatred or distrust of someone because of their actions?

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Of your two options, hatred or distrust because of their race.
But really neither -more a view that everybody of a different race is the same (with some belief that 'our' race is superior)

None of the examples below are races but are to illustrate the point:

All English people are honest
All Yorkshire people are mean
All Germans are efficient
All Nigerians are dishonest
etc etc

My issue with any grouping of people is that suggesting that everybody is the same is patently nonsense - I've met generous Yorkshiremen, lazy Germans, cheating Englishmen and honest Nigerians.

The bigger question is how do you define race?

I don't know the answer but just trying to work it out for the sake of debate, I can get to 4 distinct different 'looks' (facial characteristics) to human beings - Asian, Aboriginal, Negroid, & Caucasian. I'm sure that an anthropologist can break the human race down into many more groups/sub-groups.

newboy said:

I've met honest Nigerians.

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How did you know they were honest?

newboy said:

I've met generous Yorkshiremen,

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Really? Do you have any proof of that?

newboy said:

All that said - I'm love to listen to reasoned argument but, because somebody doesn't agree with a point of view shouldn't result in the immediate branding as a trendy/lefty/tree-hugging/bleeding heart liberal.

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I agree. Unfortunately, that 'immediate branding' has come about as a direct response to the views of people like noseall, and RNR (dare I mention his name) who assume that anyone who disagrees with the amount of immigration or who reads the D Mail is a racist.

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Gasman28 said:

So, it sounds like you are another bleeding heart liberal. So, no change for them then. If I had the choice, Mafia.

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And it sounds like you're a bigoted, racist, redneck.

Given that the original post was about lawlessness it's quite ironic that you chose to quote a European official describing the existing population of that area of Europe in such glowing terms.

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As posted before, I am a realist, not a racist. Where in this thread have you condemned the Nigerians for their actions? You are quick to condemn others on here, yet you haven't really got to your point. We are all individuals and can easily speak for ourselves. Just because you don't like that, you label us as racists / bigots.

In reply to your question - post #29.

If you want to carry on arguing then feel free but remember that you started the name calling with NO provocation.

You assumed that I disagreed with you and, rather than argue your point, called me a bleeding heart liberal.

Definition of bleeding - heart liberal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding-heart_libertarianism
Which one are you?
Personally, I'd rather be labelled one of those instead of a racist / bigot / redneck as you referred to me.
Not that I give a rodents rectum about your name calling, all so last year don't you agree?
Anyway, back to your point which is.............................

In answer to your question - none of them.

The point I was making was that I disagreed with posting any subject without context - the OP is simply manipulating the audience.

It happens to us (the public) all the time depending on who is reporting the issue and what their position is.

So you are saying that Handyjack wittingly manipulated the GD for posting a video of Nigerians causing destruction in a country that welcomed them with open arms?
As you stated before, they were causing this destruction because six of them were gunned down because they dared to infiltrate the Mafias stronghold of drugs and prostitution.
You disagree with posting without context, yet it is there before your eyes. Don't believe it? Yet you posted a photo of so called French people with a collaborator, stating it source.
Can you verify it is true? Of course not, you have to trust the source that you found it in.
A scenario for you. Suppose the same Nigerians were welcomed into our country, especially in the area that you live and tried taking over from the local drugs baron. They would cause the same mayhem and strike fear in to the locals. It could be your children / you in the same street - how would you feel?
Of course the reporting scenario is different depending on whom you watch / believe. As a BHL , no doubt you can substantiate their very existence and welcome them with open arms.
You stated that certain posters on here were, to your knowledge, racists. Look back through this thread and others to see where. Our gang, clique as you care to call everyone ( spurious to say the least ) have never made racist remarks, only realist. I ( singular ) condone racialism and welcome integration into our once great country.
Saying that, I do not want people such as in the video into our country, nor others of their ilk. We have enough trouble with the Jeremy Kyle watching indigenous population without adding to our overcrowded country.

Gasman28 said:

I ( singular ) condone racialism and welcome integration into our once great country.

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(First person singular, in fact.)