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Just to clarify then, US and Israel attack and de-stabalise these countries until there is pretty much a humanitarian crisis so all the immigrants flood over to the european nations inflitrated by huge amounts of western hating terrorists, and the European countries get attacked by radicalised phoney migrants they've let in, or those 'radicalised' european citizens that get stirred up/motivated by the fallout/demise of their brethren who've lost their lives/homes due to being attacked by US/Israel. The European nations then retaliate by carrying out the same mindless barbarism the US/Israel started in the first place. Fan-dabble.
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Cost of running Tornado bomber.
Quoting :- http://news.sky.com/story/1342768/how-much-will-airstrikes-on-is-cost-taxpayer
'...Calculating the anticipated cost of Britain's contribution to the anti-IS coalition is imprecise at best.
According to a Ministry of Defence report to Parliament in 2010, each Tornado flight costs £35,000 per hour.
Typically, two Tornados fly each mission, lasting anywhere between four and eight hours.
So let's land somewhere in the middle: a six-hour mission costs a basic £210,000.
Then we have to consider the cost of the missiles.
The expected payload would be four Paveway bombs, £22,000 each, and two Brimstone missiles, £105,000 per unit.
So let's say that's £508,000 per aircraft in total, just a smidgen over £1m per mission.
If they carry Storm Shadows at £800,000 a pop, then the cost rises considerably...
But then of course we should bear in mind that each aircraft might not drop its full load, so the figures distort further still.
And the Tornados need to refuel en route. Although operating costs for the Voyager aircraft aren't available, it is considerably more efficient than its VC-10 Tristar predecessor...
...a crude, early examination of what Britain's involvement in Iraq might cost the taxpayer...'
Near enough the parliament reference re: costs :-
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmdfence/950/950vw04.htm
One view of how is ISIL funded ?
Quoting :- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-trained-and-operating-in-Iraq-and-Syria.html
'...Their greatest financial triumph came when they captured the Iraqi town of Mosul in June and looted the city's banks. Reports at the time suggested the group's fighters may have made off with £240 million, though the Iraqi government later said the heist did not occur.
Five captured oilfields provide up to £1.8 million per day in revenue, with much of the oil smuggled across the border into Turkey and Iran.
They are thought to earn up to £5 million a month through extortion of local businesses. In the past year they are estimated to have made £40 million from taking hostages, with each foreign hostage thought to be worth £3m...
...When they captured Mosul, Iraq's envoy to the UN said they obtained nearly 88lb (40kg) of nuclear material, in the form of low-grade uranium compounds seized from a scientific research facility. The nuclear material would not be easily turned into weapons.
After conquering swaths of western Iraq, Isil fighters also now control territory where 40 per cent of the country's wheat is grown. The group's members are also reportedly milling grain in government silos and selling the flour on the local market...'
Besides donations from Middle Eastern regimes.
A more in depth report :- http://time.com/inside-isis-a-time-special-report/
Bombardments - Guadacanal and other Pacific Islands during ww2 come to mind - Not so effective as boots on the ground backed by firm resolution to get the job done.
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Quoting :- http://news.sky.com/story/1342768/how-much-will-airstrikes-on-is-cost-taxpayer
'...Calculating the anticipated cost of Britain's contribution to the anti-IS coalition is imprecise at best.
According to a Ministry of Defence report to Parliament in 2010, each Tornado flight costs £35,000 per hour.
Typically, two Tornados fly each mission, lasting anywhere between four and eight hours.
So let's land somewhere in the middle: a six-hour mission costs a basic £210,000.
Then we have to consider the cost of the missiles.
The expected payload would be four Paveway bombs, £22,000 each, and two Brimstone missiles, £105,000 per unit.
So let's say that's £508,000 per aircraft in total, just a smidgen over £1m per mission.
If they carry Storm Shadows at £800,000 a pop, then the cost rises considerably...
But then of course we should bear in mind that each aircraft might not drop its full load, so the figures distort further still.
And the Tornados need to refuel en route. Although operating costs for the Voyager aircraft aren't available, it is considerably more efficient than its VC-10 Tristar predecessor...
...a crude, early examination of what Britain's involvement in Iraq might cost the taxpayer...'
Near enough the parliament reference re: costs :-
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmdfence/950/950vw04.htm
One view of how is ISIL funded ?
Quoting :- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-trained-and-operating-in-Iraq-and-Syria.html
'...Their greatest financial triumph came when they captured the Iraqi town of Mosul in June and looted the city's banks. Reports at the time suggested the group's fighters may have made off with £240 million, though the Iraqi government later said the heist did not occur.
Five captured oilfields provide up to £1.8 million per day in revenue, with much of the oil smuggled across the border into Turkey and Iran.
They are thought to earn up to £5 million a month through extortion of local businesses. In the past year they are estimated to have made £40 million from taking hostages, with each foreign hostage thought to be worth £3m...
...When they captured Mosul, Iraq's envoy to the UN said they obtained nearly 88lb (40kg) of nuclear material, in the form of low-grade uranium compounds seized from a scientific research facility. The nuclear material would not be easily turned into weapons.
After conquering swaths of western Iraq, Isil fighters also now control territory where 40 per cent of the country's wheat is grown. The group's members are also reportedly milling grain in government silos and selling the flour on the local market...'
Besides donations from Middle Eastern regimes.
A more in depth report :- http://time.com/inside-isis-a-time-special-report/
Bombardments - Guadacanal and other Pacific Islands during ww2 come to mind - Not so effective as boots on the ground backed by firm resolution to get the job done.
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I'm just watching Question Time, recorded from last night, on which they are discussing this very problem.
One gentleman in the audience suggested that our main concern should be the infiltrators in this country. His exact words were to 'raise the drawbridge at Calais'. We should not only not let any more in, but remove those who have already managed to sneak in. Therein lies the main threat to our country, and we should keep our noses out of the Middle East and leave them to live in their own mess.
I tend to agree with him.
One gentleman in the audience suggested that our main concern should be the infiltrators in this country. His exact words were to 'raise the drawbridge at Calais'. We should not only not let any more in, but remove those who have already managed to sneak in. Therein lies the main threat to our country, and we should keep our noses out of the Middle East and leave them to live in their own mess.
I tend to agree with him.
I'm not surprised. Most people think the same. It's only the naive do-gooders, like Saint Bob Geldof, who think we should invite everyone and his son into the country.
And unsurprisingly, we have heard nothing further!
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