Is this scaffolding OK in terms of neighbour border?
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Your point is 100% irrelevant - the tenant wanted the scaffolding shifted and it wasn't. Clearly the tenant didn't stop paying the rent - why? Because he's a twit who would no doubt have a tough time getting another property.
The intelligent amongst us realise that the landlord IN FACT sorted the problem by having a word with the tenant - affable or f**koffable - he obviously was persuaded to become affable.
You boys are pretty clued up on some thing but completely on another planet for others.
Yup I agree - they could have done a better job but they didn't - no claims have been made for scratched cars that we're aware of - I'm sure the OP would have mentioned it.
I agree, ideally the scaffolders would have kept further into the OPs land - but I'm assuming the OP (either direct or via the builder/contractor) isn't a scaffolding expert and expects the scaffolders to to their job with reasonable skill and care. Looking back at the original pictures, it looks like the feet are right on the boundary line, and as there's a good chance this is a shared line, it's arguable whether there's any actual trespass at all.
The neighbour may well have been acting on a message from someone else along the lines of "they've put the scaffolding on your drive". Understandable that he'd be annoyed, but no excuse for firing all weapons before actually finding out the truth.
And for the avoidance of doubt, I am not suggesting this is directly relevant to the OPs case. But there is a subthread going on about whether the landlord has any rights whatsoever ...
As I've pointed out before, any reasonable tenancy agreement will have clauses restricting how the tenant may use the property. Some of these will be legal requirements, some will be to comply with head leases, some will be to comply with mortgage restrictions, some to comply with insurance restrictions.
Woody (among others) seems to have a problem with this concept - that the right to quiet enjoyment isn't absolute. Whether he's been on the wrong side of a bad landlord I don't know - but that doesn't matter, he is wrong as is anyone else who thinks that right is absolute.
On the legal side, I am required by law to make certain checks (eg gas safety every 12 months) - if I can't do this because the tenant won't let me then that puts me in breach of the law and I'll end the tenancy for it, I don't want to be potentially stood in court arguing whether the measures I took to try and perform the legally required checks were a good enough defence. The law doesn't say I have to try and do them if the tenant agrees, it says I must do them.
My buildings insurance requires me to inspect the property inside and out every 6 months. If a tenant thinks I'm going to allow the insurance to be made invalid (which would also put me in breach of conditions in the mortgage) then they can think again - and yes, there is a clause in the tenancy for that.
One of my properties is leasehold - and the head lease has certain restrictions which I am required to apply to the tenant.
And so the list goes on, though I'm sure Woody won't agree.
The neighbour may well have been acting on a message from someone else along the lines of "they've put the scaffolding on your drive". Understandable that he'd be annoyed, but no excuse for firing all weapons before actually finding out the truth.
Yes, I fully understand it - I don't need links to an article about it.
And for the avoidance of doubt, I am not suggesting this is directly relevant to the OPs case. But there is a subthread going on about whether the landlord has any rights whatsoever ...
As I've pointed out before, any reasonable tenancy agreement will have clauses restricting how the tenant may use the property. Some of these will be legal requirements, some will be to comply with head leases, some will be to comply with mortgage restrictions, some to comply with insurance restrictions.
Woody (among others) seems to have a problem with this concept - that the right to quiet enjoyment isn't absolute. Whether he's been on the wrong side of a bad landlord I don't know - but that doesn't matter, he is wrong as is anyone else who thinks that right is absolute.
On the legal side, I am required by law to make certain checks (eg gas safety every 12 months) - if I can't do this because the tenant won't let me then that puts me in breach of the law and I'll end the tenancy for it, I don't want to be potentially stood in court arguing whether the measures I took to try and perform the legally required checks were a good enough defence. The law doesn't say I have to try and do them if the tenant agrees, it says I must do them.
My buildings insurance requires me to inspect the property inside and out every 6 months. If a tenant thinks I'm going to allow the insurance to be made invalid (which would also put me in breach of conditions in the mortgage) then they can think again - and yes, there is a clause in the tenancy for that.
One of my properties is leasehold - and the head lease has certain restrictions which I am required to apply to the tenant.
And so the list goes on, though I'm sure Woody won't agree.
Woody did, further up this page (or page 8 if this ends up on page 9.
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Yes you seem to be very sure of the facts from BOTH sided don't you. I can't recall seeing a post from the tenant on here.....
Get wise AB.
Look, irrespective of whether the tennant is a bell end (which he probably is so why kick a hornets nest) the OP went about this all wrong from the outset and this is what I stated at the beginning of the thread.
To do what he did was ridiculous.
To do what he did was ridiculous.
You may want to bend your neck and look higher. All the pudlocks are overhanging and trespassing onto the neighbouring property.
How the fook do you know he hasn't had a rent rebate?
Over, but not in a way that could possibly affect him.
If it had been me having the work done, I'd have played merry hell with the scaffolders as well - I assume the OP isn't an expert (neither am I, but I do know a little) in scaffolding and left the scaffolders to use their professional skill and judgement. But once it's up, it would be unreasonable to insist on it getting altered for what is a minor trespass for a short time.
As an aside, SWMBO has been looking at houses - I've ruled several out because of either shared drives, or parallel narrow but not shared drives, simply because I wouldn't want the potential for boundary disputes that can come with them
Why?
Yes you seem to be very sure of the facts from BOTH sided don't you. I can't recall seeing a post from the tenant on here.....
Get wise AB.
Who gives a f*ck what the neighbour has to say, my comments are based on what the OP has said and my advice was based on that. If the OP has left out a load of information then so what? He might have a purple head and hop everywhere for all I care, it doesn't change the FACT - yes FACT - that you were WRONG! Telling the landlord wasn't a huge mistake and the end of the world like you suggested - telling the landlord stopped the tenant acting like a twit and now he'll be on his best behaviour.
The OP originally said that he told the neighbour what he was doing but the issue was that he erected the scaffolding whilst the neighbour was on holiday and some other neighbour had obviously contacted him to let him know that. The neighbour has then lost his sh!t without even seeing the scaffold. Where is this a fault with the OP? If I had told someone what I was building and they didn't have anything to say and then I crack on but now all of a sudden they get arsey then f!ck 'em, they knew the score.
But we all agree that the scaffolders shouldn't have gone near the car at the rear - regardless of whether it was off road or not.
....and so who's going to enforce it? Are you going to call the police? Are you going to raise a civil dispute? F*ck off you idiot you're going to do neither because no-one cares on such a minor trivial matter. Trying to gain some kind of ground with a type of argument like that is not only clutching at straws but also making you look like a moron. If that's you're stance I bet you're the type of tool that will throw back the cut branches of your neighbours overhanging tree just because it's your right to do so.
Again, how do I know he's not a penguin - your argument is irrelevant.
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...and we are still waiting for proof of this. But you won't find any - will you AB.
...and you need to calm down.
I agree and moaning about it would mean shorter pudlocks (like in the lower lift) at worst. However, it is still trespass.
The issue was the fact that they went ahead and butted the stanchions up against the cars. A three boarder would have solved this without any fuss. I don't know of any scaffolders that would be comfortable doing this unless they were encouraged.
You are a charmer AB.
Any news on how the neighbor he emptied his bins?
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