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?.........your reply, the first on page 19, was the first of two pages of very interesting debate. That will not continue when Thumbs Down & Co return to the fray!

And here they come!

But similarly, Adolf Hitler also wanted to create European unity, wanted us all to have the same national anthem, to salute the same flag and use propaganda and coercion to ensure that democracy could be impossible. This too is not an opinion but a matter of historical record

No you are nuts. I didn't contribute any pictures. I just thought you might be an immigrant judging by your posts and asked you.

Wait a minute. Somebody's missing! Maybe he's run out of gas!
 
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?.........your reply, the first on page 19, was the first of two pages of very interesting debate. That will not continue when Thumbs Down & Co return to the fray!

And here they come!

But similarly, Adolf Hitler also wanted to create European unity, wanted us all to have the same national anthem, to salute the same flag and use propaganda and coercion to ensure that democracy could be impossible. This too is not an opinion but a matter of historical record

No you are nuts. I didn't contribute any pictures. I just thought you might be an immigrant judging by your posts and asked you.

Wait a minute. Somebody's missing! Maybe he's run out of gas!
Do you have anything interesting to contribute or were you just getting lonely?
 
Now look what's happened, F&I has got all steamed up! Must be all that hot air.
Can you play misty for me?
 
looking at the results of this poll, I am heartened and cheered, as should all good and proud Brits, it seems that sanity is overriding the madness of the ruling classes and their minions... I note that even the RMT Union has concluded that Brexit is good for their members.. Three cheers for common sense!
 
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looking at the results of this poll, I am heartened and cheered, as should all good and proud Brits, it seems that sanity is overriding the madness of the ruling classes and their minions... I note that even the RMT Union has concluded that Brexit is good for their members.. Three cheers for common sense!
Plenty to go at there.
For instance, the suggestion that 'good and proud Brits' must vote for Brexit. :rolleyes:

I can't be bothered with the rest of the rant.
 
looking at the results of this poll, I am heartened and cheered, as should all good and proud Brits, it seems that sanity is overriding the madness of the ruling classes and their minions... I note that even the RMT Union has concluded that Brexit is good for their members.. Three cheers for common sense!
Plenty to go at there.
For instance, the suggestion that 'good and proud Brits' must vote for Brexit. :rolleyes:

I can't be bothered with the rest of the rant.
Indeed, Good and proud Brits will vote for Brexit, the rest should hang their heads in shame..Loser!
 
Do you have anything interesting to contribute?

.........your reply, the first on page 19, was the first of two pages of very interesting debate. That will not continue when Thumbs Down & Co return to the fray!

Come on F & I. After reading 2 pages of very interesting and civilised debate (pages 19 and 20), I predicted that this would not continue when you and yours returned. Interestingly, or should it be uninterestingly, it would appear that I was correct in that prediction. Now if that irks you........tough.
 
Do you have anything interesting to contribute?

.........your reply, the first on page 19, was the first of two pages of very interesting debate. That will not continue when Thumbs Down & Co return to the fray!

Come on F & I. After reading 2 pages of very interesting and civilised debate (pages 19 and 20), I predicted that this would not continue when you and yours returned. Interestingly, or should it be uninterestingly, it would appear that I was correct in that prediction. Now if that irks you........tough.
I'm very sorry to question you psychic abilities but I fear that you are a bit of a charlatan.. My reappearance is a happy coincidence of my being in the office typing invoices and the fact that when you quote me, then a little notification pops up on my screen to tell me that you have wasted more of your life trying to feel superior
 
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Benjamin Franklin; 'those who are prepared to loose liberty for a little safety and security deserve neither safety nor security'.
I would say a very appropriate quotation, but we're not at war with EU! It's an agreement with the EU that we are discussing, not UDI!


But we are not discussing an agreement with the EU; the meagre window-dressing 'concessions' pork-face has won will be overturned because they are not legally binding, as Martin Schultz has stated.
 
Assuming that a) market in EU does not stop suddenly,
But isn't that just what the EU supporters are claiming would happen if Britain withdrew?

and b) the market in USA does not start suddenly (competing against existing sustainable competitors) the EU standards would have to be continued. If export (albeit in a limited state) continues to the EU well after Brexit, the EU standards would still apply (and probably have become international standards anyhow) and it would be foolish to manufacture two different products.
Some things can be designed and manufactured to meet two different standards simultaneuously, other things cannot, so for as long as there is no single, worldwide standard for every product there will still be the need for different versions anyway.
 
not to mention that £33 million per day "membership fee" for the EU. You could ship a lot of containers all around the world for that price each day!
If you tried to use that money to compensate all the manufacturers for their increased shipping costs, you'd need a whole new administration to process it, which would cost a whole new set of costs.
You would need no extra administration whatsoever if the government simply cut the extortionate taxes in the U.K. in order to give some of that £33 million per day to its own people instead. A few taxes could be abolished entirely, and further advantages gained by a reduction of the bureaucratic red-tape needed to collect them. Maybe a few redundant paper-shufflers in government departments could then go and find productive work somewhere else too.
 
I initially said: "what if you wanted to get back in". You've lost the context by dismissing my question without answering it.
It was just intended as a light aside, but to be serious, why on earth would the U.K. ever want to get back in having gotten out?

You've missed the point.
Trade with EU would not stop abruptly. It would decrease over time.
But, as above, aren't the pro-EU side always saying how withdrawal would be devastating due to a sudden inability to sell into other EU countries?

So maybe over time trade with EU countries would decrease, and trade with the rest of the world would increase to compensate.

It would not be cost-effective to make two different products, one meeting EU regulations, and t'other not meeting those regulations.
Again, as above, for some things this already happens due to different standards. Manufacturers try to keep the costs associated with different versions as small as possible by making a product which is identical as far as can be achieved, but there is sometimes still a need for slight variations.

If the EAW would be retained after any reforming of the EU, so it's highly likely that it would be retained after any Brexit. Inded the article linked to in my response demonstrates the desire of some to retain the EAW.
And that in itself is worrying. I would hope that a government withdrawing from the EU would also withdraw the U.K. from the European arrest warrant system so as to restore proper judicial review for extradition.
 
Do you have anything interesting to contribute or were you just getting lonely?

That's a bit rich coming from someone who's posted more than 200 replies in a little over 3 weeks.

I'm very sorry to question you psychic abilities
Then:
..................a little notification pops up on my screen to tell me that you have wasted more of your life trying to feel superior

Well you don't have to be psychic F & I, not when you have a computer that is so top of the range that it can tell things like that. Oh, I've just had a little notification pop up on my screen telling me it's time to have breakfast and that I should leave the last word on this to you. Amazing! It's only an iPad for goodness sake. The last word is yours.
 
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