To say, or not to say, that is the question

Would you speak out about the situation described, or something similar ?

  • Yes - even though it's nothing to do with me

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes - safety is everyone's concern and it's my duty to speak up

    Votes: 14 36.8%

  • No - they've made the choice to go there, not my concern

    Votes: 14 36.8%

  • No - I feel should do but I don't want to be seen to be interfering

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • Not sure - different situations might get different responses

    Votes: 8 21.1%
  • Total voters
    38
  • Poll closed .
When I went to collect some tiles from Marley Eternit the receptionist handed me a laminated factsheet, a helmet, a high-vis jacket and some goggles. I said I'm here to collect tiles in my van! She said that "we don't want to get sued blah blah blah....".
I was especially appreciative of the painted walk lanes that meant I would not come into any danger from errant fork truck drivers. The way they meandered across the site was especially Wizard of Oz-esque.
I wonder what these people (employees etc) do when they are free/away from all the silliness....? I wonder if they need the sort of mollycoddling in everyday life that they are force fed at work?
 
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Here is a question for Baz and Si.

How come that when people in the construction industry are given a choice whether or not to wear a helmet and all the other PPE paraphernalia, none of them choose to wear it?

Why do you think that is boys?
 
Probably because, like some of the people in this thread advocating playing fast and loose with H&S requirements, they are stupid idiots with zero ability to truly consider what risks they face.

How about a question for you and your fellow travellers:

How much H&S legislation had been introduced completely gratuitously, and how much as a result of experience showing that it was needed because too many people were being killed and injured at work?
 
ban-all-sheds said:
How about a question for you and your fellow travellers:

How much H&S legislation had been introduced completely gratuitously, and how much as a result of experience showing that it was needed because too many people were being killed and injured at work?
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I honestly don't know. However, I do admit to being astonished as to how far companies must go in order to immunise, or rather protect themselves against litigation. Ridiculous doesn't even come close.
 
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ban-all-sheds said:
Probably because, like some of the people in this thread advocating playing fast and loose with H&S requirements, they are stupid idiots with zero ability to truly consider what risks they face.
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Do you think that when politicians et al, don their hi-vis and their helmets etc, whilst on a walkabout, that they would be in peril should they remove their 'protection'?
 
noseall said:
However, I do admit to being astonished as to how far companies must go in order to immunise, or rather protect themselves against litigation. Ridiculous doesn't even come close.
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I agree - that's largely down to the (mostly) modern trend to "there must be someone we can blame and get some money out of". So a lot of "modern" elf-n-safety is not so much about safety as (as you say) being seen to have taken measures.
I believe a big part of the measures many people impose is simply a case of "I need to do something, I don't know what to do, everyone else does <something (eg hi-vis)>, so that's what I'll do".
 
Good find, and a very candid explanation of what can go wrong.
It's interesting to read the comments posted on the home page.
 
Some guys died in Oxford this week when a power station fell on them. All were waring hard hats when the building fell. Some say they were even wearing their protetive high vis jackets too when the building fell. Sadly they still died.
 
I haven't heard anyone suggest the tragic accident had anything to do with hard hats.

But it will not be surprising to find a breach of safe working practice.

Or do large buildings often collapse onto demolition workers by pure chance?
 
There was a complete idiot interviewed on the news describing how he knew something was wrong and he knew something was going to happen, and he knew it would all fall down, and he knew the demolition contractors were in danger.

Was that you Simon H?
 
^woody^ said:
There was a complete idiot interviewed ...

Was that you Simon H?
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Now, clearly not because for it to be me I'd have to be a complete idiot, and as I'm not, it can't have been me :sleep:

When I saw it on the news, I was thinking along the lines of :
Old coal fired boilerhouse + demolition work = explosion ? I wonder if they disturbed some of the coal dust that's likely to be lying on all the surfaces in large quantities, and managed to set light to it with cutting gear. Powder explosions are a significant risk in many industries - not just coal, but sugar and flour/grain dust are also well known explosion risks.

But that's a news thread in it's own right.
 
When I saw the shape of the dust cloud forming, it put me in mind of a collapse, not an explosion.

The debris also looked like a pile, didn't see anything thrown around.
 
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