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Fire and Ice · 11 Feb 2016

bolo said:
Himaggin, if you read F & I's reply, you will see what I meant by "mediocre opposition". Back to the grind tomorrow- I wonder if this thread will still be running, die a natural death, or be locked in my absence?

It must be so hard for you having to sign on once a fortnight..

fender · 11 Feb 2016

Fire and Ice said:
bolo said:

Himaggin, if you read F & I's reply, you will see what I meant by "mediocre opposition". Back to the grind tomorrow- I wonder if this thread will still be running, die a natural death, or be locked in my absence?

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It must be so hard for you having to sign on once a fortnight..

They can keep each other company and walk there hand in hand.........

Shutpa · 11 Feb 2016

Fire and Ice said:
I have looked back at that particular thread and note that following the New Years Resolution...........sadly one new member was determined to discuss immigration... That member was Bolo, so I feel that it is pretty rich for Bolo to bellyache about us discussing immigration now.. He was the one to break the New Years resolution and to be honest immigration seems to be the only thing Bolo wants to talk about.

Despite the fact that I do not, and never have had, any inclination to discuss immigration, F & I claims otherwise. Now I can see from his contributions to the forum, that he is well acquainted with the quote facility, so for the benefit of those members and visitors to the forum who are not up to speed on the thread he refers to, perhaps it would be a good idea if he were to quote from my posts in that thread, examples of "....immigration seems to be the only thing Bolo wants to talk about".

Fire and Ice · 11 Feb 2016

bolo said:
Fire and Ice said:

I have looked back at that particular thread and note that following the New Years Resolution...........sadly one new member was determined to discuss immigration... That member was Bolo, so I feel that it is pretty rich for Bolo to bellyache about us discussing immigration now.. He was the one to break the New Years resolution and to be honest immigration seems to be the only thing Bolo wants to talk about.

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Despite the fact that I do not, and never have had, any inclination to discuss immigration, F & I claims otherwise. Now I can see from his contributions to the forum, that he is well acquainted with the quote facility, so for the benefit of those members and visitors to the forum who are not up to speed on the thread he refers to, perhaps it would be a good idea if he were to quote from my posts in that thread, examples of "....immigration seems to be the only thing Bolo wants to talk about".

The members know what you are and any visitors who start to read this thread will have eaten their own feet with boredom by the end of your first post.

Fire and Ice · 12 Feb 2016

bolo said:
....immigration seems to be the only thing Bolo wants to talk about".

We know, it is all that you do talk about, then when someone says something that you disagree with, you write it in bold an jump up and down like a primary school child needing his potty

Shutpa · 12 Feb 2016

Before I go

Elsewhere in this thread I referred to the Outers as "lacking the intellectual capacity" to fight their own corner. Now I am not saying that F & I is such a person and I am also not saying that I am not. What I will say, is that if any of my fellow Outers make a statement, for example, like this:
"....immigration seems to be the only thing Bolo wants to talk about"
referring to posts in another thread, and is asked by the subject of that statement to justify it by quoting real examples to prove his case, he must do so. Otherwise, some readers will go straight to that thread searching for replies proving that:
"....immigration seems to be the only thing Bolo wants to talk about".
And if they do find evidence to that effect, they will think that F & I is quite right,
"....immigration seems to be the only thing that Bolo wants to talk about. What a Pratt!".
But what if there are no such posts? What if there isn't a single word, let alone a whole reply from bolo, which gives an indication that:
"....immigration seems to be the only thing that Bolo wants to talk about"?
What then? What will those readers think then? I would imagine that they will think that F & I has been a bit silly making claims he can't substantiate because quite simply they are untrue. And when he finds that he cannot back up his claims, how will he react? I know, he will post a couple of replies that will blow bolo right out of the water.

Fire and Ice said:
The members know what you are and any visitors who start to read this thread will have eaten their own feet with boredom by the end of your first post.

Wow. Devastating. Oops, you forgot to post the quotes proving that: "....immigration is the only thing that Bolo wants to talk about". And then this:

Fire and Ice said:
We know, it is all that you do talk about

If I had posted huffing and puffing replies like that last night, I would be absolutely ashamed this morning! When you haven't a leg to stand on, F & I, it is better to withdraw your statement or say nothing at all.

Fire and Ice · 12 Feb 2016

bolo said:
Before I go

Shutpa · 12 Feb 2016

Fire and Ice said:
[The members know what you are and.........will have eaten their own feet with boredom by the end of your first post.

Now which is preferable, eating ones own feet or doing what you did, namely:

Fire and Ice · 12 Feb 2016

bolo said:
Fire and Ice said:

[The members know what you are and.........will have eaten their own feet with boredom by the end of your first post.

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Now which is preferable, eating ones own feet or doing what you did, namely:

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Are you still here? You need to lie down before you blow an O ring..

Himaginn · 12 Feb 2016

PBC_1966 said:
Himaginn said:

Thanks for the detailed explanation, PBC, but it still means that you could be out-of-pocket for the VAT on imported goods, (as you say, until the next VAT return) and that out-of-pocket situation is perpetuated, which has a cost implication.

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But that same situation exists when you buy from a business within your own country anyway, since you pay your supplier the VAT and then have to wait until the next VAT return (anything up to 3 months) to reclaim it.

As I said earlier, perhaps this specific rule has changed since I was VAT-registered in Britain some years ago, but at that time you could actually avoid having to pay VAT on imports anyway. It was on a small scale, but I was receiving packages of equipment from the U.S. quite regularly, and all I had to do was make sure that the sender provided my VAT registration number on the documentation, then Customs simply did not charge VAT in the first place, so there was nothing to reclaim (there might have still been duty to pay, but that's a different tax).

OK, I can accept that the example that I highlighted of VAT causing goods in EU, imported from non-EU countries being more expensive and affecting trade, being a poor example.
But the basic tenet that I was trying to illustrate still holds true. For example the import tariff for cars from non-EU countries is about 10%:

In some cases, US and EU duties are different even on the same product. For example:

for cars:

EU duty on imports from the US is 10%

US duty on imports from the EU is only 2.5%

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2015/january/tradoc_152998.1 Trade in goods and customs tariffs.pdf

The only possible survival route for UK following a Brexit is with a EFTA, and I've explained the problems with that already.

Even Farage, on Question Time last night said, in a lower voice, words to the effect: "we'd have a trade agreement with EU following Brexit", then he quickly moved on.
He didn't mention the problems associated with that, i.e. acceptance of Schengen Agreement and appointment of commissioners to EFTA board. Thus our borders with Europe are removed (including the land border with Eire). The ferries and trains no longer have passport control.

If the older generation Brexit supporters win the referendum, based on their 'pride and prejudice', they will have destined the younger more educated to live with a more difficult situation than that which currently exists.

Gerrydelasel · 12 Feb 2016

Himaginn said:
The only possible survival route for UK following a Brexit...

In what sense will Britian not 'survive' if it leaves the EU?

Himaginn · 12 Feb 2016

Gerrydelasel said:
Himaginn said:

The only possible survival route for UK following a Brexit...

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In what sense will Britian not 'survive' if it leaves the EU?

A turn of phrase. Rather than repeating the last 31 pages (minus the dopey comments from F&I), can I suggest you follow the discussion.

But as a starter, how about the scanario that I presented about 4 pages ago:

No-one suggested a sudden drop-off of exports to EU. A gradual decline, perhaps, as I've said, at an alarming rate.
Suppose any increase in 'replacement' markets is at a much slower rate. After all, if it was that easy to break into other existing established markets, we'd already be doing so!
So consider a scenario of our exports taking a dive, imports continuing, perhaps now more expensive, 'cos we're no longer in EU.
Balance of payments become more of an imbalance. Austerity drive by government, falls in tax revenues (hence why the EU payments won't be redistributed. They'll be retained to make-up loss in tax revenue)
Government devalues Pound to try to make our exports more competitive, fall in UK living standards, migrants decide they're better off elsewhere, (I can hear the Brexit campaigners cheering!). Public sector services start to suffer breakdowns.
Further austerity cuts, NHS, Education, Military, LA, Police budgets cut. Higher educated/skilled indigenous Brit's start to emigrate.

Tories given severe kicking at next General Election. (not 2020, too early, more like 2025 or earlier). Corbyn elected as PM.
Campaigns for re-entry into EU, and starts negotiation.
EU insists on further Austerity cuts, more devaluation prior to adoption of Euro, and insist on acceptance of Schengen Agreement as prior conditions to re-entry into EU.
If UK re-enters EU now at a much reduced level of influence, more like a developing country. It would take 50 to 100 years to regain the level of living standards experienced prior to Brexit.
What a pyrrhic victory for the Brexit bunch, caused by pious deception.
I can imagine the re-entry campaign poster: a picture of Stan Laurel, twiddling his tie (with the inevitable Union Flag print) and the caption: "Another fine mess you've got us into!"
Perhaps the Brexit would become as toxic as the Iraq war to the various political parties..

Read more: //www.diynot.com/diy/threads/in-or-out.451748/page-26#ixzz3zxBd7Tqi

That scenario does not include the possibility that I mentioned in another post about the breakup of UK.
On Question Time last night Wales came out firmly in favour of staying in.

Gerrydelasel · 12 Feb 2016

Himaginn said:
Rather than repeating the last 31 pages (minus the dopey comments from F&I), can I suggest you follow the discussion.

It's impossible to follow this thread since F&I is dominating it with repetition and weird personal attacks. The rest of us need a summary of the actual points raised, every now and then.

But as a starter, how about the scanario that I presented about 4 pages ago:

You make it sound as if the only thing we trade with, the only thing we can trade with, the only thing we can ever trade with, is the EU.
The world is a big place. Most of it is not in the EU. It does fine. So will we.

Himaginn · 12 Feb 2016

Gerrydelasel said:
Himaginn said:

Rather than repeating the last 31 pages (minus the dopey comments from F&I), can I suggest you follow the discussion.

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It's impossible to follow this thread since F&I is dominating it with repitition and weird personal attacks. The rest of us need a summary of the actual points raised, every now and then.

I know how you feel. Sadly, his racist and offensive posts are being thanked and liked by fender, mitch, JBR, et al (the remainder of the RWR).
They don't have the kahones to troll, themselves, so they thank the racist, offensive trolls.

Fire and Ice · 12 Feb 2016

Himaginn said:
Gerrydelasel said:

Himaginn said:

Rather than repeating the last 31 pages (minus the dopey comments from F&I), can I suggest you follow the discussion.

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It's impossible to follow this thread since F&I is dominating it with repitition and weird personal attacks. The rest of us need a summary of the actual points raised, every now and then.

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I know how you feel. Sadly, his racist and offensive posts are being thanked and liked by fender, mitch, JBR, et al (the remainder of the RWR).
They don't have the kahones to troll, themselves, so they thank the racist, offensive trolls.

Racist? Really? Where?

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