Are back to wall toilets hard to install?

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  1. aa44

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    I am currently specifying a new house (for me). I was wandering round a bathroom store the other day and noticed some back to wall close coupled toilets that looked really smart as all the pipework was completely hidden. Are these things a nightmare to fit?

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    The loo and the flush cistern are hung on a steel frame that gets covered by panelling of some description, and they do work very well. You have to allow access for maintenance though which may give you more panel joints than you'd like. Often the flush is an air operated push button which gives trouble from time to time.
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    Thanks John. We used to have a concealed cistern with an air operated flush and it was a nightmare! I was forever having to take the front panel off. For that reason, I'm looking at a close coupled back to wall model rather than a concealed cistern, something like

    http://www.ideal-standard.co.uk/imagine/standard-toilet-(close-coupled)-wc-t312501.aspx

    I'm just wondering how you actually attach the soil pipe for something like this when you can't see the connections. Is it accessible from above before you fit the cistern?
     
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    That's not a back to the wall toilet-it's just a close-coupled one.
    Welcome to the modern world of concealed pipework that every bathroom seemingly must have.
    In short,you will have to improvise -there are flexis and the like which will make life easier but I still wouldn't want one in my house. If the pan connector has a small leak you aren't going to know for a while.
    At the end of the day designers don't have to fit 'em. Plumbers do.
     
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    Yep thats an ordinary close coupled one, albeit a fab looker! You've hit the nail right on the head - soil pipe connections are a real issue with these, ok maybe in a new build where you can access the coupling from the ceiling below, or in a suspended timber build where you can get at it from below and to one side. If the outlet is directly through a wall behind thats ok too. Other than that they are a real nightmare should you need to take it out again!
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    Geberit are the best IMO and you don't have to fit any access panels.
    There's one compression joint though which needs pressure testing before concealment.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpR_u0MGlic

    Not a lot more to it than the video above. :D

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    fitted a couple of these beauties and found that if you use a flexible pipe for the filler and measure and measure again the soil pipe to make 100% sure it is the right length, then no problem
     
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    Norcon, in that photo, that's one tiny little towel rad :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

    Guess they spent too much on the tiles and your fees ;)
     
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    Guess so.
    Its in place now though. Thats an earlier image. ;)
     
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    Thanks for the replies.
     

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