British Muslim women abused under Sharia courts

[handyjack]

Maybe it's just me but my view is 'you've made your bed so lie in it'.

If an individual chooses a particular religion or culture (way of life) then so be it. Take from it what you will but don't moan when there are 'consequences'.

The OP stated that a woman 'felt betrayed by Britain'

What did Britain do to betray you? YOU chose your religion. YOU chose a way of life and culture. If you now don't want to be part of it then take some action and sort yourself out. Plenty options out there.

Same goes for Judaism and the bloody Roman Candles.

Sick and tired of hearing people moan about the nanny state in one breath and then moaning in another because HMG isn't doing enough to sort out your personal life....

People can 'escape' if they want to. Fact is they choose not to do so.

Let them get on with it...............

Bunch of ****s

The punishment for leaving Islam is death.

(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

(2) The one who has known the religion which Allaah revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of Allaah and eat from the provision of Allaah.

(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.

(4) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left alone; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.

 

[Belboz]

And..........????

 

[sooey]

If an individual chooses a particular religion or culture (way of life) then so be it. Take from it what you will but don't moan when there are 'consequences'.

While we're at it, most people don't choose their religion or culture, they're brought up into it. As you say though, they can choose to leave it, though that can't be easy.

 

[Belboz]

If an individual chooses a particular religion or culture (way of life) then so be it. Take from it what you will but don't moan when there are 'consequences'.

While we're at it, most people don't choose their religion or culture, they're brought up into it. As you say though, they can choose to leave it, though that can't be easy.

Totally agree sooey but that's a separate argument on 'indoctrination' be it bar mitzvahs, confirmations or whatever (even christenings)

Personal view is that a religious choice should be made in adult life once the individual has the ability to understand and choose for themselves and not have it 'imposed' on them at an age where they have little understanding of the possible implications.

However I digress.

There are most certainly ways of changing your way of life and even changing religion (many people have done it - often to get married to another of a different faith)

Or even keeping your religion but moving outside a given area.

Yes - difficult - but eminently doable.

 

[JBR]

If an individual chooses a particular religion or culture (way of life) then so be it. Take from it what you will but don't moan when there are 'consequences'.

While we're at it, most people don't choose their religion or culture, they're brought up into it. As you say though, they can choose to leave it, though that can't be easy.

Totally agree sooey but that's a separate argument on 'indoctrination' be it bar mitzvahs, confirmations or whatever (even christenings)

Personal view is that a religious choice should be made in adult life once the individual has the ability to understand and choose for themselves and not have it 'imposed' on them at an age where they have little understanding of the possible implications.

However I digress.

There are most certainly ways of changing your way of life and even changing religion (many people have done it - often to get married to another of a different faith)

Or even keeping your religion but moving outside a given area.

Yes - difficult - but eminently doable.

I agree. It only takes a few strong-willed individuals to take the plunge and the ball will have been started rolling.

On that basis, it could take only a couple of generations for the muslims to drag themselves into the 21st century, rather than the 600 years some have predicted. Their future lies in the hands of their young people.

 

[JohnD]

How long do you think it will take the Catholics, Orthodox Jews, Jehova's Witnesses etc? 600 years? Less?

Despite what the rabid anti-Islamists say, it is not a solely Islamic problem.

 

[handyjack]

How long do you think it will take the Catholics, Orthodox Jews, Jehova's Witnesses etc? 600 years? Less?

Despite what the rabid anti-Islamists say, it is not a solely Islamic problem.

You can leave all of the above (ROPW excluded) without being condemned to death.

 

[Norcon]

The ONLY freedom of belief in Islam is the freedom to become muslim.

 

[JohnD]

returning to the subject:

A Peer is calling for a judge-led inquiry into.... courts, in a revealing new report on discrimination against ....... women across Britain.

Religionists discriminating against women?

How long do you think it will take the Catholics, Orthodox Jews, Jehova's Witnesses etc? 600 years? Less?

Despite what the rabid anti-Islamists say, it is not a solely Islamic problem

 

[handyjack]

returning to the subject:

A Peer is calling for a judge-led inquiry into.... courts, in a revealing new report on discrimination against ....... women across Britain.

Religionists discriminating against women?

How long do you think it will take the Catholics, Orthodox Jews, Jehova's Witnesses etc? 600 years? Less?

Despite what the rabid anti-Islamists say, it is not a solely Islamic problem

Discrimination, not the same as murder.

 

[JohnD]

You seem to have forgotten the topic of this thread. On the topic of discrimination against women, when was England and Wales' Married Women's Property Act? Six hundred years ago, or less?

Are you not aware that, in Britain, violence by men against their womenfolk resulting in death and injury is woefully common?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-96135/Husband-jailed-murdering-wife-crowbar.html

http://gawker.com/husband-murders-wife-by-disabling-airbag-crashing-into-590464713

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/husband-killed-wife-unborn-baby-4815729

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-28166486

http://wtnh.com/2015/03/18/police-husband-and-wife-found-dead-inside-durham-home/

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ecap-husband-held-suspicion-murdering-8664967

Many, but not all, of these are murders by violent Northern men. All too often they also kill children and babies.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2753160/Memorial-set-5-slain-kids-dad-heads-court.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/evil-father-killed-two-sons-4533040

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ed-with-murder-of-four-year-old-daughter.html



Despite your obsession with Muslims, murder and violence are not solely Islamic problems.

 

[Norcon]

You've just went from "Catholics, Orthodox Jews, Jehova's Witnesses" to
"violent northern men".

What about violent southern men? Are they to be excluded?

 

[jockscott]

How long do you think it will take the Catholics, Orthodox Jews, Jehova's Witnesses etc? 600 years? Less?

Despite what the rabid anti-Islamists say, it is not a solely Islamic problem.

Hmmm, I've not heard of any Catholics or Jehovah's witnesses, carrying Kalashnikovs and calling for unbelievers to be beheaded/torched to death recently...

Have you?

 

[Belboz]

You've just went from "Catholics, Orthodox Jews, Jehova's Witnesses" to
"violent northern men".

What about violent southern men? Are they to be excluded?

Nah...southern men are beaten up by their woman....

Soft, southern, shandy-drinkers that they are...........

 

[Norcon]

The DM publishing news articles on home grown white trash.
Must be fantasy then.