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Is it time to ban cigarettes/tobacco?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by joe-90, 19 Feb 2012.

  1. peaps

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    How would you tax pot?
     
  2. masona

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    Yes I'm with you, it's the 2nd and 3rd hand smoke as well, though of you haven't heard of 3rd hand smoke > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/third-hand-smoke/AN01985

    I couldn't careless about the smokers, it's up to them but keep the germs away from the non-smoker
     
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    How annoyed would Joe be realising in his last minutes of life that he is dying of nothing.... :D
     
  4. Corgigrouch

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    Kinda tricky if you grow your own just like folk who have their own still and produce hooch but plenty more drugs to tax.... I'm sure that there are folk out there growing their own tobacco...Can't tax that either
     
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    Should we also ban drinking alcohol then?

    It costs the NHS just as much as smoking related illness' each year?

    Someone smoking in a car wont cause me harm, someone drinking while driving could kill me?

    The government rakes in billions per year from tax on cigarettes...not a chance on earth they will ban it!
     
  6. joe-90

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    All drugs should be listed like illegal drugs are. Alcohol and tobacco should be in the 'A' list.

    When all things are taken into account - tobacco costs us all big money.
     
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    I've grown my own in the past...there was no tax for years but an EEC directive a few years back states that full tax should be paid.

    I read now that their is no tax applicable until the leaves are shredded...then it is the growers responsibility to weigh the tobacco and inform Customs and Excise so they can bill them...Yeah right!
    Customs can't be bothered to raid countless OAPs greenhouses so they have this trust the grower policy...I'd love to know how many declare their crop each year.
    I wouldn't order a new aircraft carrier on the back of it.
     
  8. LargeWrench

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    It's staggering that Alcohol & tobacco are legal despite killing 100's thousands a year, yet certain drugs which are far less harmful are illegal. The 'war on drugs' has been a staggering failure and such a waste of money. Drugs should be legalised, regulated and taxed. Why is it ok for somebody to drink 10 pints down the pub on a friday, but somebody who prefers smoking cannabis or taking ecstasy/magic mushrooms/LSD e.t.c are criminalised and risk gaining a criminal record? Since the dawn of time people have used chemicals to alter their state of mind, what's the problem? It's far safer to regulate the supply of drugs, many problems of drug use come from the fact that unscrupulous dealers cut their drugs with all sort of ****.
     
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    One thing you might have missed is... there are a lot of people employed fighting the effects of drugs. So, what would they give them to do if drugs are free ?
     
  10. ABCwarrior

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    LargeWrench is of course absolutely correct. But these "dangerous" drugs need to remain illegal because they literally will open your mind- you'll see through every piece of crap on the news for what it really is...
    Tobacco? Does F*ck all but make you unfit and die prematurely.
    Alcohol? Nice in moderation, makes you a wee bit creative but one gulp too many you've gone over the edge and are into stoopid slurred land. Makes you fat, costs a fortune.


    I've posted it before and I stand by it. People who have never taken "illegal" drugs should not ever be given the power to dictate whether their use should be legal or illegal. They do not understand what they're talking about.

    My 40th back in 2008 was a brilliant night. My brother and I picked and ate freshly, about 80-100 magic mushrooms(Liberty Caps) each. Right on the field next to my partners house...Psilocybin is a very potent drug, they're still experimenting with it for many uses to treat a lot of psychological disorders.
    I first tripped with mushrooms aged 15 in 1984. I'm not mad either ;)

    But if you've never taken them, please don't tell me if I can or can't.

    As the late and exceptionally great Bill Hicks once said:

    I'll tell you something about drugs. I used to do drugs, but I'll tell you something honestly about drugs, honestly, and I know it's not a very popular idea, you don't hear it very often anymore, but it is the truth: I had a great time doing drugs. Sorry. Never murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never beat anyone, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife or kids, laughed my ass off, and went about my day

    Or an even better one to put down an anti drug heckler....

     
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  11. misterdubya

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    Joe, can you publish your source? He wont.... :rolleyes:
     
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  12. joe-90

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    Summary

    Smoking is the single greatest avoidable risk factor for cancer; in the UK, it is the cause of more than a quarter (28%) of all deaths from cancer and has killed an estimated 6.6 million people over the last 50 years.2 A study published in December 2011 estimated that smoking causes nearly a fifth of all cancer cases in the UK.35

    Worldwide, tobacco consumption caused an estimated 100 million deaths in the last century and if current trends continue it will kill 1,000 million in the 21st century. Around half of all regular smokers will die from the habit, half of these in middle age.1
    More than one in five (21%) British adults currently smokes
    Smoking causes around 88% of lung cancer deaths in men and around 84% of lung cancer deaths in women in the UK
    Smoking prevalence (any tobacco product) in British men was 30% in 2002 compared with 82% in 1948



    http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/causes/lifestyle/tobacco/tobacco-and-cancer-risk


    That's more than the Holocaust.
     
  13. ABCwarrior

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    My source? A field. August until the first hard frost. Maybe July if a wet warm summer. Can be eaten raw, dried for preservation, rehydrated and made into tea.

    Doesn't take the same chemistry or complex synthesis as any other drug production. They're there. nature didn't make a mistake.

    Stats on tobacco make hideous reading though. So why is it legal?(That's a rhetorical question of course)
     
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    The problem is that once upon a time - maybe 50 years ago, smoking was acceptable, if not encouraged... many people were paid in "fags"... and with film stars making it all seem cool... it mushroomed. So now we have an industry that generates far too much tax for the government to lose, and of course the jobs involved in the production. The government is now stymied, and can only go down the route of "telling us" it's unhealthy, and 'encouraging' a decline.

    I have never smoked, and really can't understand why the youth of today would even consider it... the adverts are bad enough "smoking kills" and at £7 a packet !! :eek:
     
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    Explains mucho :eek:
     
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