Is there such a thing as an extra deep celing rose?

[diyplank]

There is so much wiring crammed into mine I had trouble screwing the "lid" back on!

What I need (but cannot find) is a deeper celing rose. Anyone know of such a thing?

If I've got the termionology wrong, http://www.screwfix.com/prods/27195.../White-Moulded/Marbo-Range/Marbo-Ceiling-Rose that is what I mean.

 

[bernardgreen]

How many cables are being joined at that ceiling rose ?

By cable I mean 2 ( or 3 ) wires plus earth wire in a outer sheath.

Word of caution. If the lid is compressing wires when it is screwed in place you might be damaging the insulation on the wires. This could cause an immediate fault or one that happens later.

 

[mikhailfaradayski]

im not sure about a deeper rose, but depending on what its screwed to, might this help?

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• mikhailfaradayski
• 24 Dec 2010
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[riveralt]

There is so much wiring crammed into mine I had trouble screwing the "lid" back on!

Which could suggest you have too much grey cable on show - or you are overloading the ceiling rose. I can normally fit five T&E cables comfortably in the standard ceiling rose - how many have you got in this one.

What I need (but cannot find) is a deeper celing rose. Anyone know of such a thing?

The issue is less about depth and more about terminal availability.

If I've got the termionology wrong, http://www.screwfix.com/prods/27195.../White-Moulded/Marbo-Range/Marbo-Ceiling-Rose that is what I mean.

Which looks like a standard ceiling rose.

 

[diyplank]

Wow that was quick! It's three wires, connected using a terminal block. It's really tight for space in there.

Here's a pic of the celing. I think it's plasterboard, but I am not sure, I am DIY Plank after all!! Perhaps you can tell me?

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• diyplank
• 24 Dec 2010
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[riveralt]

Wow that was quick! It's three wires, connected using a terminal block. It's really tight for space in there.

In which case you should have loads of space - just ensure that the grey insulation doesn't protrude into the ceiling rose. As for terminal block - does the inside of the plastic ceiling rose look like this

http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/03ec/0900766b803ec99f.pdf

Or is it different?

Here's a pic of the celing. I think it's plasterboard, but I am not sure, I am DIY Plank after all!! Perhaps you can tell me?

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• diyplank
• 24 Dec 2010
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The plastic ceiling rose looks standard - the surround looks like a plaster 'ceiling rose'.

 

[diyplank]

The inside looks like your link.

 

[riveralt]

The inside looks like your link.

In which case if you have three cables then you have the live/neutral/cpc loop (2 cables) and the switch wire - there should be no issues about not having enough space in the ceiling rose.

You should look at Wiki to show you how the cables are connected to the terminal blocks.

 

[martinxxxxxx]

Let's have a picture of the inside of yours and you will get sugesstions on sorting it out

Martin

 

[Taylortwocities]

Let's have a picture of the inside of yours and you will get sugesstions on sorting it out

Martin

And have a festive chuckle while we are at it

 

[tonyelectric]

Use an Ashley rose pattress and a Klik rose, that way all the wiring is tucked behind the plate in the pattress and the light is attached on the plug side.

http://download.hager.com/hager.uk/files_download/general_catalogue/8_jb_and_ceiling.pdf

http://download.hager.com/hager.uk/files_download/general_catalogue/10_klik_lds.pdf

 

[riveralt]

Use an Ashley rose pattress and a Klik rose, that way all the wiring is tucked behind the plate in the pattress and the light is attached on the plug side.

Come on we are only dealing with three cables into this ceiling rose - unless its an unusual cable size - there is more than adequate space to fit inside a standard ceiling rose.

 

[bernardgreen]

Come on guys. do not be too hard on DIYplank. It takes a bit of practise to get the wires neatly placed in a ceiling rose.

How about a photo of tidy wiring in a ceiling rose to show how it is done. I would but my camera is out of order ( OK I admit it .... my roses are not tidy )

 

[diyplank]

Let's have a picture of the inside of yours and you will get sugesstions on sorting it out

Martin

After Christmas I'll look at it. Some of the replies here make me think twice about the job, but I'll get onto it.

Mark

 

[martinxxxxxx]

I only asked for a photo because for some reason I suspect he has chockblok in there which is why the lid won't go on