Rossi E-Cat cold fusion to solve world energy problems

You are making extraordinary claims, so you must provide the extraordinary evidence.
That is a parroted fallacy disseminated by pathological debunkers (not calling you one) : Standards of Evidence should be consistent no matter what we are dealing with.

Rossi has every right to follow his own process.
Once he has a reliable working model he will sell them. . Mainstream will catch up later, when they are ready.
 
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That is a parroted fallacy disseminated by pathological debunkers...

Rossi has every right to follow his own process....

Now, let me think, what sort of a person would be offended at being asked to prove they are telling the truth?

What sort of person would have a barrage of abuse ready for people who expect to see evidence?

Oh yes, I know.

People who are liars and fraudsters.
 
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Now, let me think, what sort of a person would be offended at being asked to prove they are telling the truth?

What sort of person would have a barrage of abuse ready for people who expect to see evidence?

Oh yes, I know.

People who are liars and fraudsters.

I can’t locate where I have been abusive.
However, I see you’re going down the ad hominem route against Rossi.
 
I am going down the route of showing that warmsoks has an unsustainable position.

A position based on parroted fallacies and pathological lies. He should learn to think for himself.

I'm glad you don't consider those words to be abusive or an ad hominem attack.
 
You are making extraordinary claims, so you must provide the extraordinary evidence.
That is a parroted fallacy disseminated by pathological debunkers (not calling you one) : Standards of Evidence should be consistent no matter what we are dealing with.
You misunderstand the statement. Remember, I don't set the standard of evidence, others do.

A scam artist is deft at fooling many scientists (this has been shown in the past), but a workable model should be replicable, and if he were honest, he should have no qualms about allowing peer review. Such a system would defy what the scientific community (including NASA, and many other large organisations) know about cold fusion, so he could get extremely rich and gain recognition, but he doesn't. What he does do is display everything that a scam artist would do.
Rossi has every right to follow his own process.
He has no right to scam people, which is what he is doing.
Once he has a reliable working model he will sell them. . Mainstream will catch up later, when they are ready.
See my earlier post from today about what you said in 2011.

We won't hold our breathe.

Here's an easy start for you:
http://freeenergyscams.com/coldfusion-lenr/
 
That is a parroted fallacy disseminated by pathological debunkers (not calling you one) : Standards of Evidence should be consistent no matter what we are dealing with.
I think I should expand a bit on this reply.
The standard of evidence is greater for someone like Rossi and his E-Cat, as he has been shown to be a fraud many times.
Compare this with the other extreme of what we would ask for evidence about:
The sun coming up in the morning - we don't ask for strong evidence for that, as we already have lots of experience of it.
General relativity - proven in maths, and used in GPS applications. Attempts to disprove it are a sign of pseudoscience. We don't ask for strong evidence for GR or even SR anymore, although when it was first proposed, we did.
Nuclear fission - proven in maths, and in real world applications.
Nuclear fusion - proven in maths, and being developed. Progress has been made, and a road map set out which is being followed. Actual confinement was achieved for 30s in a Tokamak, and the US generated more energy than they put in, in an experiment in 2014. These are things that have been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt, and we do not require extraordinary evidence, as the evidence is there. It is not hidden. They are scrutinised by other scientists, peer review occurs by some of the brightest people around, and the conclusions are published in journals. The whole process is not without its safe guards, although no system is perfect, they are not going to invest billions without these systems in place.

If the fusion facility at Culham suddenly announced it had achieved results far greater than what other experts were expecting they would want to analyse the experiment very closely, and the peer review would be very vigorous. It would have to stand up to that scrutiny, as there could be factors that weren't taken into account

With cold fusion, the maths have been shown it to be impractical, with confirming it to be a non-starter. The original experiment by Fleischmann–Pons has not been found to be replicable. Some experiments gave false positives, and a great deal of money was spent by universities and research centres looking into it, and none came up with a replicable system.

For it to work, it would have to violate well established physics. It is 2015, and these things have been well established through maths and experimentation for many decades.

So for a serial scammer to claim he has built a cold fusion device that provides cheap energy, you would need some extraordinary evidence, such as replicable results, analysis by independent scientists (this hasn't happened before you claim otherwise), in other words: peer review.

We should not and cannot accept the word of a serial con artist when we hold the rest of science up to higher standards.
 
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General relativity - proven in maths, and used in GPS applications. Attempts to disprove it are a sign of pseudoscience. We don't ask for strong evidence for GR or even SR anymore, although when it was first proposed, we did.

Actually there have been many attempts to disprove it, or more accurately, to test its predictions, ranging from measurements during a solar eclipse in the early 20th century (Edington was it?), to recent satellites. It has been proven right each time, utterly remarkable. The truth is that it will be disproved eventually, or more correctly, it will be shown to have limitations at which point science will seek an improved model. In the same way Newtonian mechanics was superceded by GR and quantum mechanics.
 
That's what happens in scientific research. Theories are proposed, these are proved by further experimentation. Then, as time passes, someone discovers further factors which can be applied and which disprove the original theory, following which either the original theory is amended or replaced by another.
That's called progress.
 
One-year 1 megawatt E-Cat trial completed
https://animpossibleinvention.com/2...nt-one-year-1-megawatt-e-cat-trial-completed/
https://animpossibleinvention.com/2...nt-one-year-1-megawatt-e-cat-trial-completed/


February 17, 2016, a 350-day commercial test of a one megawatt heat plant based on Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat was completed. The event must be considered historic since it’s the first time an industrially useful amount of energy is produced over such a long time from this kind of yet unexplained radiation-free nuclear reaction—LENR or Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.

To be clear, the report from the one-year trial, which has been controlled by a major independent third party certification institute, will be released only in about a month, and until then no official information is provided on the test result. However, multiple sources have told me that the test has been successful.

Earlier, some sources having visited the test plant told me that the COP, Coefficient of Performance, i.e. the ratio between output power and input power for control, was in the range 20—80, meaning that the heat plant was consuming 12—50 kW while producing 1 MW—the average consumption of about 300 Western households, including electricity, space heating, water heating and air conditioning.

I have also been told that the total amount of fuel—mostly harmless elements such as litium, hydrogen and nickel, according to Andrea Rossi’s granted patent on the technology—was in the range of tenths of grams. And supposedly the charge has never been changed during the year. On the other hand, after one year’s run, the reactors are now being recharged for further operation.

All this might be confirmed by the third party institute, that has been controlling the heat plant 24/7 with video cameras.

The test has been undertaken by Andrea Rossi and his US industrial partner Industrial Heat, and according to Rossi, commercialisation of similar industrial heat plants will be initiated as soon as possible, provided that the result is positive. Industrial Heat has acquired the right to produce and sell E-Cat based technology in, as far as I have been told, North, Central and South America, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.
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Needless to say, the consequences of such an energy source for the world will be huge. And the consequences for industry, finance and society is also the focus of the New Energy World Symposium or NewS, which will be held in Stockholm, Sweden, on June 21, 2016, provided that the report from the test is clearly positive.

So, now we all wait for the report. Personally, however, I will put the champagne on ice. Now.

http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/02/1...si-production-cost-in-kw-is-very-competitive/
 
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Note this is a drawing of the power plant and not an actual photo of the test rig.

Calculate the size of conductors ( electrical wires or super heated steam pipes ) necessary to move 1 Mega Watt out of that shipping container. Then try and fit that size of conductor into that comparatively small space.

Take it one step further, assume the walls and roof of the container are the heat radiators putting 1 Mega Watt into the atmosphere, calculate how hot those surfaces need to be to dissipate that much heat.

There is one way he could be telling something like the truth. One Mega watt for a split second every few hours.
 
Warmsox has copied another press release which says basically "no evidence has been produced but an anonymous person says it works"

His story is 100% valueless.
 
It's a front to sell nasty t-shirts and mugs. That's the only cash coming out of it

Nozzle
 
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