fitting downlight converter kit to large hole

[robstewart]

Hi, this relates to electrics, but strictly speaking is not this forum heading. O well, here goes:

We have just refloored our dining room / lounge with solid oak planks, which looks a dream. The 4 ceiling swivelling eyeball spots suddenly looked so dated so we bought downlight converter kits to replace them. Unfortunately, the cut outs for the old ones are 155mm, but the converter kits have a max size of 140mm. I can't find anything wider than this on the net. I am really hoping we don't have to have the ceiling replaced, and holes never fill in well, especially with the spring force of these replacement units which tend to pull the units through the repaired hole.

Question please: are there any secondary backing plates which we can insert between the new units and the ceiling to close the gap? Brass or white, ideally 160mm diameter???

(I can't think of any way to cut down the existing backing plates; they are too thick and wide).

We will be so grateful for any viable solutions!

Rob

 

[ericmark]

There are a number of questions. Can you angle the new spots to light the required area once recessed? I will assume they are to light a special area like a picture as not much good for general lighting.

Have you got the 0.5 meters clearance between the lamp and combustible materials? If not is there otherwise recommendations by the manufacturer?

I would look at the round 2D fittings for general lighting to cover hole and not look too bad.

 

[securespark]

150mm best I can do so far.

http://www.electricsandlighting.co....ter-plate-for-straight-evoled-downlights.html

 

[Taylortwocities]

I've had this problem a few times and there's no downlight converter that big..

You could hvae someone cut some squares of (MDF?) with chamfered edges and srew those over the holes.

Other wise you are looking at surface fittings or something like this http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/GLPL218E.html
rather industrial maybe?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

the cut outs for the old ones are 155mm

These would fit into those holes with no fiddling/patching/conversion required, would probably look better than a converter plate and will certainly work better than a small diameter light:



Other makers and other suppliers are readily available - look for PL downlights.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

something like this http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/GLPL218E.html
rather industrial maybe?

After you've fitted the frosted glass attachments (I'd advise against the dropped ones, 'cos insects will fly in there and die), when you look up all you see is a white ring with a frosted glass insert, or with those just frosted glass and 3 chromed nuts:

Yes - not all twee or fancy, but not exactly "industrial".

 

[rules&rulers]

Yes - not all twee or fancy, but not exactly "industrial".

Ban,do you know who stocks/can get these lamps ?

Looking for something like that for a project.

Thank you.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

The one in the photo is this: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_I...ercial_Downlights/index.html#HF_PL_Downlights

But there are countless others like it - to find that type look for PL recessed lights or downlights. 5 years on there are now lots of LED alternatives as well.

 

[333rocky333]

Maybe something like these, you need to check the dimensions but likely some other makes are big enough
If you need to dim them there are Dimmable ones made.

http://www.ledkia.com/uk/buy-basic-...d-panel.html?gclid=CIfdt5O029MCFQeNGwodnA8Erg

When we do up pubs they tend to use a round hardwood pattress with a moulded edge.
Though bare in mind heat of lamp !

 

[ban-all-sheds]

bare in mind

That's what you do to the barmaid, isn't it?

 

[333rocky333]

I have noticed you can now get Led replacement lamps for PL fittings.
https://www.lampshoponline.com/phil...o-3000k.html?gclid=CIqK7KH529MCFRYTGwod8_YF4g

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I looked at the specs for 18W PL-C lamps from GE, Osram, Sylvania and Philips. All of them quoted 1200lm.

Oh dear:

Also, they say "Philips 6.5w ... These Lamps designed as a retro-fit to work with your existing electronic ballast." And yet elsewhere on the site they say "Please note - These lamps should be replaced like for like. If you have a 18w lamp in your fitting, it must be replaced with a 18w lamp. You cannot reduce or increase the wattage."