Gay Marriage

What about the people who want to be married for their religious conviction?
Some people refuse to enter into a partnership unless it's 'blessed' by marriage, or they don't feel comfortable in that partnership. Don't gay people have the right to those same convictions.
 
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RogueHanger said:
What about the people who want to be married for their religious conviction?
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It was Groucho Marx who said that he wouldn't wish to belong to any club that would have him as a member.

Why would anyone wish to belong to a club that didn't want them as a member other than to make a point.

Some people refuse to enter into a partnership unless it's 'blessed' by marriage, or they don't feel comfortable in that partnership.
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Is that how gay people feel?

Don't gay people have the right to those same convictions.
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They do now.
 
Big Tone said:
To use an oft quoted expression, “it’s just a piece of paper”. It has significance but it can be an ex piece of paper in a matter of months these days.
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It's not just a piece of paper though is it. Legal guardianship of children, inheritance, property etc become legitimate under the contract of marriage.

For those couples not wishing to have children or are not bothered about the implications for ones' partner should you die etc, then crack on live in blissful ignorance. Not everyone is that selfish though.
 
noseall said:
Big Tone said:
To use an oft quoted expression, “it’s just a piece of paper”. It has significance but it can be an ex piece of paper in a matter of months these days.
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It's not just a piece of paper though is it. Legal guardianship of children, inheritance, property etc become legitimate under the contract of marriage.

For those couples not wishing to have children or are not bothered about the implications for ones' partner should you die etc, then crack on live in blissful ignorance. Not everyone is that selfish though.
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There's Common Law Partnership. "Only couples who get married or register a civil partnership will acquire legal rights and responsibilities in relation to each other."

And of course you can make a Will. You don't have to make a case for gay marriage if the laws are changed, or indeed already in place.
 
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Let's drink to the happy gay couple - Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael
;)
 
Sorry lamb this is going to come as a shock.

If you're going to repeal laws that made homosexual acts illegal.
Repeal section 28.
Openly promote homosexual activity in the media.

Pass laws:
An equality act.
Lower the age of consent for homosexuals to 16.
Allow same sex couples to adopt children.
Prevent anyone from discriminating against them in the workplace.
Make it illegal to deny them goods or services.
Allow them to serve in the armed forces.
Civil partnerships.

How can you reasonably deny them marriage?

Most straight couples have rejected marriage and live in sin :eek: so why is it so important to gay people.

I guess some will do it for legal reasons. Some, the ones who married on the stroke of midnight 13th, to send a message. And most because they love the person they are marrying.
 
During the ceremony, surely they won't still be using the vow -

"I give you this ring as a symbol of my love"

:eek: :LOL:
 
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noseall said:
Big Tone said:
And of course you can make a Will.
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You can't leave your kids to your unmarried partner in a will! :eek:
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Speaking as someone who got married and divorced, to a woman, you can't get custody of your child unless you can prove your wife is an axe-swinging nut! But no matter....

As I said, you don't need to adopt the word marriage to make a case for same sex personal 'commitment'. (There's that word again).

Symantics do change, that's the evolution of language. A 'guy' used to be a man but it's common usage and understood these days to mean men and women.

But there's the rub! It doesn't and isn't changing anything other than a reference. Look up the word marriage; there's plenty of both Biblical and more secular definitions which refer to a man and a woman.

So instead of hijacking a term why not be respectful of how it has been defined and what it is, (did mean), and use a different term which preserves the time - honoured version but which carries equal weight?

Let's call it a Civil Partnership and give it the respect than any two people in love have but maintain and RECOGNISE that a man and a woman together is just different but preserve the title marriage.

Is that fair; a compromise?
 
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Eureka! I've just realised it's more about the word 'marriage' and hijacking that word than actual rights.

If gays had everything, every right a conventional man/woman marriage have had, it still wouldn't be enough unless it's called "Marriage".

Got it! Next thread.......
 
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