Asthmatic CH Pump

Desktopmonkey · 11 Jul 2006

My system is an open one, gas fired, 7 rads, grunfos super 4 pump and a worcester cbi boiler. expansion tank in loft. The system is I think, 20 years old, but we replaced the boiler 4 years ago. THE PROBLEM started about 4 months ago and is that the pump is very noisy when running, and the upstairs radiators need regular bleeding ie daily. When the CH is on, there is a loud gurgling through the upstairs rads. The pump and the aerator sounds as if they are taking breaths, drawing through some water then followed by a gurgling of air and repeating the cycle. Pump gets very hot so you can't touch it
I read various forum threads and consequently I have flushed the system with cleanser [left for 28 days as instructions] and refilled adding X1100 inhibitor. The tank was cleaned of a brown sludge. Water level is just above the feed pipe.
There has been no change in the symptoms. A gas engineer has suggested that the vent pipe may be on the wrong side of the pump[?], but as we haven't altered anything recently I don't understand why it hasn't always acted the same. Is the pump shot, or blocked?. Can anyone offer advise please?. Many thanks.

ollski · 11 Jul 2006

may be a blocked feed pipe or incorrectly configured. fill a glass with water and dip the vent pipe into it when its running, if it sucks some water up that will at least tell us where it is entraining the air from.

Nige F · 11 Jul 2006

Let mee Entrain you

Robbie Williams..my money is on crap configuration

Agile · 11 Jul 2006

Where did you buy the X1100 inhibitor?

I have never heard of it before!

Tony

Slugbabydotcom · 11 Jul 2006

Pump gets very hot so you can't touch it

the pump is very noisy when running

If the pump is hot and the pipes aren't hot leading to it then my money is on the probability that the pump is stuck.
The fact that its noisy is another pointer.

A system with a decent de-aerator properly fitted generally should not have air problems unless the ballvalve is stuck in the small F&E tank in the loft

Desktopmonkey · 16 Jul 2006

ollski said:
may be a blocked feed pipe or incorrectly configured. fill a glass with water and dip the vent pipe into it when its running, if it sucks some water up that will at least tell us where it is entraining the air from.

Thanks for the response. The vent pipe sucked up a pint of water in less than 10 secs. Closing the valve on the vent pipe stops the rushing sound, but I'm not convinced that this is a good permenant solution!?. I used X100 inhibitor by the way.

doitall · 16 Jul 2006

Desktopmonkey said:
ollski said:

may be a blocked feed pipe or incorrectly configured. fill a glass with water and dip the vent pipe into it when its running, if it sucks some water up that will at least tell us where it is entraining the air from.

Click to expand...

Thanks for the response. The vent pipe sucked up a pint of water in less than 10 secs. Closing the valve on the vent pipe stops the rushing sound, but I'm not convinced that this is a good permenant solution!?. I used X100 inhibitor by the way.

Closing what valve on the vent

Get it turned back on and removed, before it blows up

Bamber gaspipe · 16 Jul 2006

Your system needs `close coupling` Cold feed & vent 150mm apart to eradicate air being introduced into system.

Desktopmonkey · 17 Jul 2006

doitall said:
Desktopmonkey said:

ollski said:

may be a blocked feed pipe or incorrectly configured. fill a glass with water and dip the vent pipe into it when its running, if it sucks some water up that will at least tell us where it is entraining the air from.

Click to expand...

Thanks for the response. The vent pipe sucked up a pint of water in less than 10 secs. Closing the valve on the vent pipe stops the rushing sound, but I'm not convinced that this is a good permenant solution!?. I used X100 inhibitor by the way.

Click to expand...

Closing what valve on the vent

Get it turned back on and removed, before it blows up

There is a valve on the vent/expansion pipe [there seems to be valves everywhere!], which I have PARTIALLY closed to minimise the intake of air.

Nige F · 17 Jul 2006

Bamber gaspipe said:
Your system needs `close coupling` Cold feed & vent 150mm apart to eradicate air being introduced into system.

That`s what our family does, Bambi........Close Coupling

have a nice day y`all

Nige F · 17 Jul 2006

Closee valvee explodee monkey

JB Gas · 17 Jul 2006

Never seen a valve on an o/v I would get someone round to reconfigure your system asap

p.s open the valve

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