tiling over tiles!!?? how!!??

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A pretty heated thread! It annoys me when people paint over light switches and radiator valves when a bit of masking tape can make the job look a bit better. The flat I've just bought is a slew of half-cocked DIY and easy option decorating which I now have to put right. This has meant some re-plastering and a lot of wallpaper removing (which includes the dreaded woodchip), and laying of new floor tiles in the bathroom because the previous owner laid the floor tiles directly on top fo the floorboards and now you can see the line of the boards through the tiles.

Back on topic, I'm about to re-tile the bathroom. It already has tiles on top of tiles so I'll remove the first layer. WHat will I have to do to make the wall good underneath? Will I have to sand away all the tile adhesive and sugar soap the wall?
 
I reckon due to the amount of damage possibly done to the underneath surface, you would be best in this case to take both layers off, I mean your already taking one layer off, I don't think it'll be a load more work to take is right back down. Just MHO though.
 
I hope you get my drift
I do indeed - I hope you get mine. :)

Actually, I do. I was thinking about this all last night before I went off to sleep. Softus does has some valuable points here. I think that his post has a concealed meaning; a meaning not hugely expressed directly.

I think the meaning is: "Does it matter?!!!!!"

This is something worth thinking about. I must get into the habit of adjusting to this. I suppose it's unfair to say that screw heads being the wrong way is shoddy. It's something that isn't particularly noticed so, it's not that important. It's actually more trouble than it's worth trying to get them all at the same position. Most importantly: who cares? This is the thing. I care. But, why do I care? That I do not know for certain. It's almost like a ritual; an unnecessary ritual.

Anyway, I need to get out of this fanatical habit of thinking that everything must be perfect and done 100% properly and thinking that if it's not, I'll be condemned. It's going to really spoil my chances of being successful. Then again, I'm only 18, so perhaps over time, I'll gradually see a difference.

My point is this: sometimes there are better things to be doing with one's life than SDS chiselling off a bunch of tiles that don't want to come off without taking great chunks of wall with them, and having to make good before tiling, all because of some notional ideal that there is only one "proper" way to do things.

Caveat the existing tiles being sound, would you ALWAYS do the extra work? How about when the customer is in the twilight of their years, when all they want is a fresh look because their partner has died? Or for a family with more young children than their budget can account for, who just want something quick and cheery for the new babe? Or a neighbour, or family member, who knows you and can understand an explanation of the pros and cons, and is capable of making up their own mind?

I have to agree with you Softus.

Thank you for giving your point of view. I'm hoping that this will help me in the future.

Nevertheless, if I'm doing work on my house and have tonnes of spare time, I will still always start from scratch. But, work? Well, that's a different story. A story I have yet to read ;).
 
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Tozzy, I'm touched by your post - for someone so (relatively) young, you're twice the man that I am. You and I are more similar than perhaps you realised, 'cos but I'm a perfectionist too.

A widower I met a long time ago said something wise to me. He was an artist, his specialism being caricatures, and he'd just written an entire book about his deceased wife and her lifetime achievements (which were considerable). He was waiting for the first print to come from the publishers, and he said this to me: "I'll be disappointed, because I'm a perfectionist - it's an affliction, and I know I'll never change so I've learned to work around it. The thing is, everybody else will think the book is wonderful, which is what she deserves.".

You're very perceptive to have spotted the all-important question at your age, and I think it will stand you in great stead.
 
Tozzy, I'm touched by your post

I'm touched by yours too Softus. It's been a very bad day (the worst day in a long time) for me today so, this was a really nice surprise for me. In all of my years on the internet, I don't ever recall reading such a pleasant and uplifting post. I really appreciate your kinds words. Words like that do go a long way.

You and I are more similar than perhaps you realised, 'cos but I'm a perfectionist too.

I think the difference is probably that you're a lot quicker than me ;). I'll try and speed up a bit though ;). I'm exceptionally slow. I don't think that any customer would want to pay me by the hour :D.


The thing is, everybody else will think the book is wonderful, which is what she deserves.".

He would never be satisfied with the book, even though other people think it's wonderful. I see :).

Thanks again Softus.
 
You're welcome Tozzy.

Sorry to hear you had a bad day - they happen, and it makes the good ones even better. ;)

My advice about speed - you can't work faster simply by trying to. You have to recognise what's slowing you down and eliminate it/them. In general, unfamiliarity makes you slow, therefore practise makes you faster. Also, in my case, I used to think too much about the whole job, and the trick is just to work through, concentrating on one thing at a time.

I keep in mind something that I remember (back in the mists of time) that my plumbing mentor said to me: if you come to a decision about something, do that thing straight away, then it's one less thing that has to be done.

All the best - see you around on the forum. :)
 
Just a quick note to wrap up this thread:

Sorry to hear you had a bad day - they happen, and it makes the good ones even better.

Luckily I have more good days than bad days :).

My advice about speed - you can't work faster simply by trying to. You have to recognise what's slowing you down and eliminate it/them. In general, unfamiliarity makes you slow, therefore practise makes you faster. Also, in my case, I used to think too much about the whole job, and the trick is just to work through, concentrating on one thing at a time.

Thanks, I'll keep this at the front of my mind. Having the ability to self-analyse something is exceptionally important in my case and it's only this past year I've learned to think this way. Ironically, it tied in with my horoscope that week:

"From now on, you are going to challenge life's obstacles via a ruling/ analytic method"

Ever since then, I have been practicing this. The problem is that I can get lazy and lose interest. If I were to advise anyone, I would say that the above method (and what Softus has stated in his above post) is extremely beneficial and helped me in quite a few ways so far. If something doesn't work, you have to be able to ask yourself why it doesn't work; not just trying and hoping for the desired outcome. There is a reason for everything.

If you ask yourself why something doesn't work, find your answer, have followed through accurately and still doesn't work, then most likely, what you are trying to achieve is not possible. However, if it is possible and you have applied the above method, then practice is obviously required.

All the best - see you around on the forum. :)

Cheers Softus, all the best and I hope to be the first person to help you if I see any of your threads ;).

By the way, just wanted to apologise to the thread starter as we deviated slightly off-topic at bit there ;).
 

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