New heating system questions

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Softus said:

Water Systems said:

The guarantee CANNOT overide the law - such as they will not honour a guarantee if no Gorgi badged fitter fitted it.
The laws says no such thing, so they can't impose such a restriction.

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False. The need to be fitted by an RGI is both a requirement of the Building Regulations and an express term of the contract of sale.

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Total tripe again - you do come out with it. Corgi only if the fitting was for monetary gain. A DIYer can fit if he is competent.

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pack it in the lot of you

Bigburn said:

kevplum wrote

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from since doing the ACOP 1/16 and the ACS

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OK ,give an example where MI,s overule the regs. ??

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The MI's have to conform to the regs hence all those numbers they put in them. They can't go outside them - hence different models and MI's for different countries (especially on fluing).

Water Systems said:

Softus said:

The need to be fitted by an RGI is both a requirement of the Building Regulations and an express term of the contract of sale.

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I agree - I've long since posted a correction to my statement, which you appear not to have read.

However, even with the error my sentence wasn't wholly wrong (or total tripe, as you're fond of saying).

The MI's have to conform to the regs hence all those numbers they put in them. They can't go outside them -

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the numbers are the BS salesman

Water Systems - Again the maufacturer can make conditions in it's guarantee. This is because it is always an addition to the customers rights under their contract with their supplier. Yes you do not have to be CORGI but they are saying if you are not chase your complaint through the supply chain as you would with anything else you buy. If you want servive direct from maker (remember they have not taken your money) then here are the conditions. In reality manufacturers tend not to care who installs or whether GWN is completed.

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Water Systems - Again the maufacturer can make conditions in it's guarantee. This is because it is always an addition to the customers rights under their contract with their supplier. Yes you do not have to be CORGI but they are saying if you are not chase your complaint through the supply chain as you would with anything else you buy. If you want servive direct from maker (remember they have not taken your money) then here are the conditions. In reality manufacturers tend not to care who installs or whether GWN is completed.

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If a maker tries to bend the law and says all boilers must be fitted by Corgi people, and a problem arises when one is properly fitted and DIYed, and they disown it because it was DIYed (fitted within the law) and say go to your supplier to sort it out, then the supplier gets ****ed off.

A part of the reason the supplier sells their products is that they take away 100% the service aspects of the sale and he can concentrate on selling. Makers realised this in 1973 when the Implied Terms act came in putting the responsiblity at the vendors door - before that they would pass the buck to each other. The Vendor wanted 100% service backup or they would not sell certain products.

If the maker ignores a legal appliance installation, which competent DIY is, then the seller most likely will drop selling their products - he doesn't need the hassle and will sell a product the makers fully support when legally installed.

If a maker emphatically ignores to retify a fault on an appliance that is a legally installed DIY installation, the vendor has to provide the service at his cost. If the vendor refuses then court action will make him honour the appliance - the vendor is the man you deal with. The vendors relationship with the maker is another matter and out of the framework of the court, and this would be another court battle of contract of vendor with maker.

So, once again. A maker who ignores support to a legally installed appliance will be shooting himself in the foot and the vendor will most probably drop his products.

Correct - which is why in reality makers fix boilers whoever installs them and some times even if installed incorrectly. Still it does not make a manufacturers guarantee or it's contents the same as contract law (existing between consumer and supplier) which is what you've implied all along until your last post finally made some sense.