it is ILLEGAL to sign off work from non-corgi

bengasman · 10 Dec 2007

Ha, some time off sick proves to be good for something.
Exhaustively discussed and heatedly debated issue:

Is it legal to “sign off” gas work?

Finally found the answer:

IT IS ILLEGAL!

QUOTE FROM CORGI TECHNICAL BULLETIN:

“it is not acceptable for a CORGI registered installer to knowingly “sign off” gas work that has been carried out by a person who is not registered in order to circumvent the legal requirements. Where this has occurred, both the registered and unregistered installer may face prosecution”

Apart from the "may" when it comes to proscecution, it is clear as a bell.
I would expect that if you get caught (or shopped/grassed) they will chuck you of the register. and so you should

namsag · 10 Dec 2007

Yep got corgi chasing a guy in our area for signing off his mate who is not registered.

Agile · 10 Dec 2007

I dont know why you ever thought it was in any way legal Ben!

The problem that CORGI have is that when two of them connive to fit a boiler and for the reg to sign it off its very difficult for CORGI to prove that the reg did not do the required minimum parts of the work as its only their word that CORGi can go on.

I have heard of an Iranian CORGI who was giving out his number so lots of other Iranians were using it! He was struck off the register and banned for registration for five years!

Thats about the only case I have heard of though!

Tony

ChrisR · 10 Dec 2007

“it is not acceptable for a CORGI registered installer to knowingly “sing off” gas work that has been carried out by a person who is not registered in order to circumvent the legal requirements. Where this has occurred, both the registered and unregistered installer may face prosecution”

I sing them off all the time...

Diyisfun · 10 Dec 2007

ChrisR said:
“it is not acceptable for a CORGI registered installer to knowingly “sing off” gas work that has been carried out by a person who is not registered in order to circumvent the legal requirements. Where this has occurred, both the registered and unregistered installer may face prosecution”

Click to expand...

I sing them off all the time...

I was going to say singing off must be ok. I suppose it would be a carol this time of year.

namsag · 10 Dec 2007

Personally i don`t think there is anything wrong with it providing you know the person doing the work and it is all up to standard a lot of good guys are not registered..
Its when one half wit who is registered signing off another half wits work which is what has happened around my way.

And no i would not sign off a diyers work and i have not signed off anybody elses

Terrywookfit · 10 Dec 2007

It happens all the time with pipe fitters !!

The guy doing the installation works to a drawing and spec!

To him it is just a pipe regardless of whether it will carry gas ,air or water!!

Why would he need to be corgi as he is installing to an engineers spec and has no say in the design!!

When completed some one comes around to test / purge and issue certificate!!

bengasman · 10 Dec 2007

Agile said:
I dont know why you ever thought it was in any way legal Ben!

I never thought it was legal.
It does not matter what I think is or is not legal. What does matter is if you can prove that something is legal or illegal. I now can. The bulletin number is 214 by the way.
A lot of guys seem to think, or pretend to, that you can notify work provided you test it as safe.

Agile · 10 Dec 2007

namsag said:
Personally i don`t think there is anything wrong with it providing you know the person doing the work and it is all up to standard a lot of good guys are not registered..

That may be true but obviously the installer SHOULD be registered to comply with GSUR and he is depriving CORGI of all their fees and they have no way of monitoring his competence if he is not registered with them.

CORGI have a team of 12 inspectors specialising in targeting the unregistered which is led by Phil Brewster.

One of their interests is those with ACS who are not registered with anyone.

Tony

namsag · 10 Dec 2007

Yes i know i see them in the installer .And do you think corgi would make the fees any cheaper for us if more people where registered.. Seeing some of the people who are registered i don`t think much to corgis competence in deciding who is competent.

Who would i trust the guy who has been working with gas and installing appliances for twenty plus years or some wee boy just out his time or worse a 6 week course attendee. let me think

sooey · 10 Dec 2007

CORGI have a team of 12 inspectors specialising in targeting the unregistered which is led by Phil Brewster.

One of their interests is those with ACS who are not registered with anyone.

Tony

That's typical corgi, chasing up some possible registration fees. At least people who have done ACS have had some training and should know the basics, they should be prioritising the ones who are doing gaswork and have no quals or training.

Agile · 10 Dec 2007

sooey said:
That's typical corgi, chasing up some possible registration fees. At least people who have done ACS have had some training and should know the basics, they should be prioritising the ones who are doing gaswork and have no quals or training.

Thats what I think that ARGI should be concentrating on encouraging them to do !

I would like to think that part of the CORGI response is as a result of ARGI's pressure.

However, CORGI are not going to get far until they contrive with the HSE to be able to inspect and investigate gas work where they have not been called in by the owner.

I made a posting on the ARGI forum to see if ARGI could formalise a policy about reporting unregistered instals and get many more reported by their members. The response by members was dissapointing at the least! They were either too frightened or uninterested.

Tony

sooey · 10 Dec 2007

Tony, I don't see why it should be up to ARGI to pressure Corgi into prioritising gas safety instead of profit. That should be done by the government, in other words things need sorting out from the top down, not the bottom up.

Ray

Agile · 10 Dec 2007

But if the top is doing nothing then the bottom has to do something.

The HSE is charged with dealing with this but seems pretty useless.

We all report one case to them and are disallusioned by the lack of interest.

My exploding boiler report resulted in just a letter to the Landlord suggesting he used a CORGI next time!

Tony

sooey · 10 Dec 2007

The state of the gas industry is just a small example of whats wrong with this country, rotten leadership, vested interests, working people at the sharp end being sh*t upon. Bring on the revolution, but as much as I support ARGI I think it needs a much wider revolution than just them to sort things out.

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