notifiable???

vv2806 · 5 Apr 2010

Hi,

Are these notifiable jobs?

1) Changing a single to double socket in the kitchen

2) A new light in the pantry (with a door that opens in the kitchen)

3) New sockets in a dining room next to the kitchen, the door between them is removed and there is an arched opening instead

4) New sockets in the extension (there is a cold water supply for a washing machine)

Many thanks in advance!

ban-all-sheds · 5 Apr 2010

Read Schedule 2B.

If it's not in that list it is notifiable.

Chri5 · 5 Apr 2010

vv2806 said:
Hi,

Are these notifiable jobs?

1) Changing a single to double socket in the kitchen

2) A new light in the pantry (with a door that opens in the kitchen)

3) New sockets in a dining room next to the kitchen, the door between them is removed and there is an arched opening instead

4) New sockets in the extension (there is a cold water supply for a washing machine)

Many thanks in advance!

1- No
2- No
3- No
4- No

All on the proviso that you are adding to existing circuits and that nothing is changed at the CU.

nozspark · 5 Apr 2010

NO
NO
??? - IIRC the kitchen extends 3m from the sink for open plan kitchen/diner type rooms
NO

riveralt · 5 Apr 2010

Chri5 said:
vv2806 said:

Hi,

Are these notifiable jobs?

1) Changing a single to double socket in the kitchen

2) A new light in the pantry (with a door that opens in the kitchen)

3) New sockets in a dining room next to the kitchen, the door between them is removed and there is an arched opening instead

4) New sockets in the extension (there is a cold water supply for a washing machine)

Many thanks in advance!

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1- No
2- No
3- No
4- No

All on the proviso that you are adding to existing circuits and that nothing is changed at the CU.

Small point, I think that should be 'replacing' rather than adding.

According to the Electricians Guide to the Building Regulations

"A kitchen is particularly identified in the Approved Documents as beng a location where:
adding a lighting point, light fitting and switches to an existing circuit
addition socket outlets and fused spurs to existing ring or radial circuit
is required to be notified to Building Control."

Still doesn't mean this work as described needs notification provided (3) meets with the 3m distance from the sink issue identified by nozspark.

Chri5 · 5 Apr 2010

Has anyone EVER notified a change of a single to double outlet in a kitchen

I'm sure the op would simply flout the rules and get one of these:-

riveralt · 5 Apr 2010

I think swopping a double for a single socket is replacing and not adding to the circuit and therefore is not notifiable. It doesn't say anything about the swop has to be like for like.

But as usual with the guidance given in Part P it is open to interpretation.

ColJack · 5 Apr 2010

3 and 4 would depend whether the new socket is an addition to an existing circuit or a new circuit bac to the CU..

vv2806 · 5 Apr 2010

Guys, thank you very much for all the replies!

3 and 4 are not new circuits, they are spurs (one in the extension, and 1 in the dining room) from existing circuits.

I am not sure if the kitchen/diner is an open plan or not. No wall has been knocked down, just the door between the 2 rooms is removed, the opening is the size of the door and anyway it is 3 m away from the sink.

Best regards to everybody!

ColJack · 5 Apr 2010

kitchen stops at the doorway.. doesn't matter if there's a door or not ( to us.. might ba a fire regulation breach though.. )

JohnnyG · 5 Apr 2010

riveralt said:
I think swopping a double for a single socket is replacing and not adding to the circuit and therefore is not notifiable. It doesn't say anything about the swop has to be like for like.

But as usual with the guidance given in Part P it is open to interpretation.

This is where it gets muddy.

Approved document P, table 2, additional note b:

Replacement, repair and maintenance jobs are generally not notifiable even if carried out in a kitchen or special location or associated with a special installation

The same paragraph from p22 of the Electricians Guide to the Building Regulations:

Replacement (like for like), repair and maintenance jobs are generally not notifiable even if carried out in a kitchen or special location or associated with a special installation

ColJack · 5 Apr 2010

replacing a single with a double is ADDING a socket.. basic maths..
1+1=2... you are doubling the maximum current that can be pulled at that point on the wiring..

conny · 5 Apr 2010

ColJack said:
replacing a single with a double is ADDING a socket.. basic maths..
1+1=2... you are doubling the maximum current that can be pulled at that point on the wiring..

Correct me if I am wrong, (and I probably will be

), but if it is on a ring main then the cable would be rated for about 42A depending on installation method. Each appliance connected to the double socket would be protected by, at the largest, a 13A fuse in the plug top of the appliance therefore there would be a maximum demand at that point of 26A.

Am I wrong in this instance?

ColJack · 5 Apr 2010

not the point...

you are doubling the current that could be drawn from that point from 13A to 26A..
you're altering the circuit characteristics and in a kitchen that could mean the difference between pluggin in the washing machine at that point, and plugging in the WM & the dishwasher...

ban-all-sheds · 5 Apr 2010

Not the point.

vv2806 is not proposing to add a socket outlet, he is proposing to replace one.

A socket outlet is a socket outlet is a socket outlet - doesn't matter whether it is 1-gang, or 2-gang or 3-gang, it is still a socket outlet.

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