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didspip

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:45 pm Reply with quote

I have a problem with my Grant Vortex condensing combi 26 Oil boiler.
When I run the hot water for a bath after a few minutes the water runs luke warm, turn off the hot tap and wait a few minutes and it is hot again.
It always used to work ok.
The other thing I have noticed is I can hear air bubbles traveling around the heat exchanger pipes and the water store. the heating is ok and quiet.
Its almost as if there is not enough water in the store?
The boiler is only 4 years old but has had a few problems needing the boiler to be drained and re filled a number of times.
Leaking washer on heat exchanger - leaking flow switch washer - leaking auto air vents and leaking filling loop taps.
I have replaced the filling loop, air vents and washer on the exchanger.
When I re fill the boiler via the filling loop does this also fill the water store?
Any help as to the cool water issue would be appreciated.
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Terrywookfit

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:09 pm Reply with quote

Have you checked the TMV?
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didspip

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:55 am Reply with quote

Terrywookfit wrote:
Have you checked the TMV?


In what way? it is set ok
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:42 pm Reply with quote

if its not the TMV; then more likely the pcb for the heat store is faulty.

contact; www.grantuk.com

ask to speak to the technical department who will be able to assist you.
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didspip

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:07 pm Reply with quote

Terrywookfit wrote:
Have you checked the TMV?


Thanks for the reply but can you tell me how I check the TMV? icon_question.gif
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didspip

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:10 pm Reply with quote

moliver34 wrote:
if its not the TMV; then more likely the pcb for the heat store is faulty.

contact; www.grantuk.com

ask to speak to the technical department who will be able to assist you.


Thanks for the info, can you explain why I hear air bubbling through the store and heat exchanger pipes when the hot water is running?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:46 pm Reply with quote

Check heat store AAV for operation. Is the cap open?
Are there any manual vents on the pipework you can bleed?
Is the DHW ht exchanger scaled? How does the flow of hot water compare to cold water flow?Is the flow pipe to the TMV hot when the tap starts to cool down?
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didspip

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:11 am Reply with quote

oilhead wrote:
Check heat store AAV for operation. Is the cap open?
Are there any manual vents on the pipework you can bleed?
Is the DHW ht exchanger scaled? How does the flow of hot water compare to cold water flow?Is the flow pipe to the TMV hot when the tap starts to cool down?

Thanks for the reply.
AAV on heat store has been replaced and the cap is open but I never hear air coming out even when I drain the system and re fill? does the water in the store drain when the system is drained and re fill when I fill the system back up?
All manual air vents have been bled.
Four year old boiler, will the ht exchanger be scaled after this period? if so do I need to strip it out to check? clean or replace?
Doesn't it use the ht exchanger for the central heating?
As for the TMV flow pipe I will check that later when I run the bath and get back to you.
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didspip

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:46 am Reply with quote

oilhead wrote:
Check heat store AAV for operation. Is the cap open?
Are there any manual vents on the pipework you can bleed?
Is the DHW ht exchanger scaled? How does the flow of hot water compare to cold water flow?Is the flow pipe to the TMV hot when the tap starts to cool down?


I can confirm that The flow pipe to the TMV also cools down when the hot water cools down, normally it is too hot to touch.
Does this mean the TMV is b*****r?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:01 am Reply with quote

What do the heating pipes do when you run hot water? Do they get hot even if the heating is off?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:24 am Reply with quote

I can confirm that The flow pipe to the TMV also cools down when the hot water cools down, normally it is too hot to touch.
Does this mean the TMV is b*****r?[/quote]

No, it means that the problem is within the controls of the DHW operations.
Does the burner start up when HW is demanded? Possible flow switch problem.
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didspip

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:32 pm Reply with quote

oilhead wrote:
I can confirm that The flow pipe to the TMV also cools down when the hot water cools down, normally it is too hot to touch.
Does this mean the TMV is b*****r?


No, it means that the problem is within the controls of the DHW operations.
Does the burner start up when HW is demanded? Possible flow switch problem.[/quote]

Burner starts up ok every time. Flow switch was replaced last year due to intermittant hot water. This gave hot then stone cold water and I could hear the relay clicking in and out. I have Hot then warm water with no relay clicks. When it runs warm if I turn the tap off for a minute or two it is back up to full temp.
Yesterday as an experiment whilst running the bath I tapped the TMV lightly with a hammer thinking that if it is scaled up this may free it off. After this the hot in pipe stayed too hot to touch and this morning I ran a full bath without it going cold. Does this seem feasible or is it just a coincidence?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:35 pm Reply with quote

What is the water in your area like for hardness or do you have a softener?

What happens if you run the tap slowly?
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didspip

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:41 am Reply with quote

manortim wrote:
What is the water in your area like for hardness or do you have a softener?

What happens if you run the tap slowly?


According to Anglian Water the water in my area is Vert Hard.
I have had a bit of success using an un conventional method based around everyones advice that the TMV may be scaled.
Whilst the bath was running I tapped the TMV with a small hammer, as I was doing this all of a sudden the hot in pipe became too hot to touch again, as it should. I was then able to run the full bath without heat loss whilst having the heating on.
I think I may have dislodged some scale?
Does this sound possible?
When the boiler was installed nearly 4 years ago it was a cash barrow job and I suspect there was no inhibitor used.
If so once I have replaced the TMV and the bleed valves again what is the best inhibitor to tackle limescale?
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