cable problem

jjsblues · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:49 pm Post Subject: cable problem

2years ago we fitted new bathroom we used to have an 8.5 shower we changed this to a 10.5 we had a qualifeid plumber in to do the work and he also fitted the shower well over the weeked the prd operated so we had an engineer out yesterday he fixed the problem then told me that we are running it on a 6mm cable and it should be a 10mm cable he also said we had the wrong fuse as well so he turn the shower off at the mains and said it was up to us if we wanted to switch it back on again don\\\'t know what to do we spent a lot of money on that bathroom and the thought of it being knocked about i find quite daunting but surely if we have used it for 2years with no problems is it safe to carry on thanks

Qedelec · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:52 pm Post Subject:

How much damage do you think overloading a circuit will cause?

Just because you can swing on a rope one day, doesn't mean it wont break another.

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andy · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:55 pm Post Subject: Re: cable problem

jjsblues wrote:

we spent a lot of money on that bathroom and the thought of it being knocked about i find quite daunting but surely if we have used it for 2years with no problems is it safe to carry on thanks

either replace cable or get a lower rating shower. or burn the place down. your decision

ban-all-sheds · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:39 pm Post Subject: Re: cable problem

jjsblues wrote:

2years ago we fitted new bathroom we used to have an 8.5 shower we changed this to a 10.5 we had a qualifeid plumber in to do the work

Presumably this plumber was qualified in plumbing, not electrical installations?

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Sandy Beech · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:47 pm Post Subject: Re: cable problem

jjsblues wrote:

the thought of it being knocked about i find quite daunting but surely if we have used it for 2years with no problems is it safe to carry on thanks

Get a registered Sparks in to assess the situation and see if a new cable can be run without having to rip out the wall covering. For example can it be accessed from the opposite side of the wall?

Personally I prefer a mixer shower with no electrical involvement except for, maybe, a shower pump in an area that can be accessed.

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ban-all-sheds · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:42 pm Post Subject:

Electric showers do have their plus points, which will become more positive as time goes by..

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Adam_151 · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:53 pm Post Subject:

ban-all-sheds wrote:

Electric showers do have their plus points, which will become more positive as time goes by..

I'm feeling dumb today... mind spelling it out?

andy · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:00 pm Post Subject:

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plugwash · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:03 pm Post Subject:

isn't our leccy generation moving more an more towards gas as the moment anyway?

electric heating sucks from an efficiancy point of view.

ban-all-sheds · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:40 pm Post Subject:

Adam_151 wrote:

ban-all-sheds wrote:

Electric showers do have their plus points, which will become more positive as time goes by..

I'm feeling dumb today... mind spelling it out?

1) You only heat the water that you use, at the point of use. No losses from trying to maintain a store of hot water.
2) You heat the water by electricity. You do not burn any fossil fuels to heat the water, and ignoring for now how electricity is generated, it can be generated without burning fossil fuels.

plugwash wrote:

electric heating sucks from an efficiancy point of view.

Funny - I've not noticed waves of heat , or lots of noise coming from my shower, so I can only assume that nearly all of the energy being consumed is going into heating the water. If it's inefficient, where is the energy not being used to heat the water going?

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Steve · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:10 pm Post Subject:

ban-all-sheds wrote:

plugwash wrote:

electric heating sucks from an efficiancy point of view.

Funny - I've not noticed waves of heat , or lots of noise coming from my shower, so I can only assume that nearly all of the energy being consumed is going into heating the water. If it's inefficient, where is the energy not being used to heat the water going?

Up in smoke at the power station, noise at the power station, losses in transformers, cables and equipment, wasted heat at power station. Need i continue?

Adam_151 · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:18 pm Post Subject:

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Funny - I've not noticed waves of heat , or lots of noise coming from my shower, so I can only assume that nearly all of the energy being consumed is going into heating the water. If it's inefficient, where is the energy not being used to heat the water going?

Our one is quite warm to the touch on the plastic caseing after use... the connections are starting to break down and get warm, the thing is past its sell by date too be honest, we have got a pumped tank fed one to replace it with, when by dad can be bothered to put the pipes in... ,at this rate, maybe should get a cheapo replacement electric one and change it as a short term measure before this one melts itself.

*sweeps part p under the rug*

plugwash · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:22 pm Post Subject:

ban-all-sheds wrote:

Adam_151 wrote:

ban-all-sheds wrote:

Electric showers do have their plus points, which will become more positive as time goes by..

I'm feeling dumb today... mind spelling it out?

1) You only heat the water that you use, at the point of use. No losses from trying to maintain a store of hot water.
2) You heat the water by electricity. You do not burn any fossil fuels to heat the water, and ignoring for now how electricity is generated, it can be generated without burning fossil fuels.

Wind and solar are a joke they can't meet demand and they don't have the load profile flexibility. They generate when the wind blows or the sun shines not when people actually wan't power.

Hydro is ok but has environmental problems of its own (particularlly if land is floody without clearing it first) and we just don't have many good sites for it left in this country.

nuclear has been basically killed off by the not in my backyard attitude. Also for various reasons nuke plants tend to be base load plant not start-stop plant intended to satisfy the peaks.

whats left? fossil fuel generation, its bad for the environment but no one power plant is bad enough for the environmentalists to target too much. Its also cheap to build and provided gas stays cheap its cheap to run and has pretty flexible output provided its well designed.

ban-all-sheds wrote:

plugwash wrote:

electric heating sucks from an efficiancy point of view.

Funny - I've not noticed waves of heat , or lots of noise coming from my shower, so I can only assume that nearly all of the energy being consumed is going into heating the water. If it's inefficient, where is the energy not being used to heat the water going?

up the power station chimney, The losses have happened before it reaches you.