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chrishutt said:
Move it ..Don`t move it...up to you.the point has been made...on your own head.. as they say
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Move it ..Don`t move it...up to you.the point has been made...on your own head.. as they say
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simmond,as a rgi my personal opinion on your remarks about your employees getting you to gwn their pj is offensive and illegal.i the same as you pay my registration fees/public liability etc to work within the law whilst you who should know better show the public on a DIY forum how corrupt this industry is by undermining the basic rules of the registration scheme,no wonder the public perceives corgis as rip off merchants with people like you adding fuel to the fire
i now work for a company but still hold individual registration and at a guess would assume your reg no is one of the high ones as a recent entrant to the gas industry. with people /companies like you/yours no wonder the gov want more regs and hoops for the rgi to jump through you and people like you should be struck off and slapped with massive fines as warnings to others.
i now work for a company but still hold individual registration and at a guess would assume your reg no is one of the high ones as a recent entrant to the gas industry. with people /companies like you/yours no wonder the gov want more regs and hoops for the rgi to jump through you and people like you should be struck off and slapped with massive fines as warnings to others.
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I don`t find it or him offensive....I simply chose to not work for companies like his..I found that companies like this do tend to exploit qualified Gas personnel...solution..don`t work for them...simple really..You would do the same in his position...I know I would...tough titties..that`s life..
bripl said:simmond,as a rgi my personal opinion on your remarks about your employees getting you to gwn their pj is offensive and illegal.i the same as you pay my registration fees/public liability etc to work within the law whilst you who should know better show the public on a DIY forum how corrupt this industry is by undermining the basic rules of the registration scheme,no wonder the public perceives corgis as rip off merchants with people like you adding fuel to the fire
i now work for a company but still hold individual registration and at a guess would assume your reg no is one of the high ones as a recent entrant to the gas industry. with people /companies like you/yours no wonder the gov want more regs and hoops for the rgi to jump through you and people like you should be struck off and slapped with massive fines as warnings to others.
I have to say that I dont find it offense, better what he does than guys doing PJ's without any supervision surely?
I think he is quite amiable and understanding my boss would sack our arses for doing homers in his van!
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keep going guys,maybe offensive was too strong a term but why should we be going to all the trouble and expense of working legally jumping through hoops when people like this come along and undermine all our efforts to promote a better image for the rgi.while i do not agree with corgi on a lot of things i abide by the law to the best of my ability and being registered to work on gas at my expense [yes i do get the money back through customers].people/companies that bend the rules give all rgi a poor name you only have to read the forums that rgis are perceived by the public as rip off merchants and frauds this man does nothing to alter that perception in fact he has publicly announced this fact by gwn unregistered installers work.i would also bet the installer does not have public liability
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Life`s a Beeeatch Bripl, I know property developers who are still installing non condensing Combis..I drink & Socialise with them..WTF can you do..quick buck...it hurts but at least I can sleep at night..
The Transco bloke, or any other operative working privately without their own Corgi reg., is clearly breaking the law (GSIUR, reg 3(3)),. However the Corgi registered person is not breaking the law (GSIUR), provided they are competent to carry out the work. That does not necessarily mean having the Meters ACS module. It is possible to be competent in the legal sense without having appropriate ACS modules.corgiman said:
In practice, I would only consider moving a meter a very short distance (say less than a metre) so that the Main Control Valve remains within easy reach of the gas meter. The pipe between MCV and meter can be fabricated from copper tube and fittings, so no need for special materials.
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chrishutt said:
How would you prove competence if not by being assessed..? it`s not a job for a RGI..it`s not allowed..end of story...
From a legal point of view, you (the accused) don't have to prove competence. The accuser (HSE) would have to prove lack of competence. Not having the appropriate ACS would not prove lack of competence, although it might be accepted as supporting evidence. I suspect that lack of competence would only be proved by serious installation faults.Bamber gaspipe said:
As for saying "it's not allowed..end of story..", that doesn't mean anything in legal terms. Can you state what law or regulation would be contravened?
I don not fully understand Bripl's point of view.
All my gas installers are premanently employed on PAYE by my company and hold gas (and some also OFTEC) cards in my company name.
This means that all training and dues have been paid.
If one of my installers wants to use my van and his qualifications to do the occasional PJ in his own time, we will usually oblige them by doing the commissioning and registering afterwards.
This enables employees to have a more honest relationship with their employer and does not undermine other RGIs. If I was doing that it would affect my business too, surely, Bripl?
We are expanding (recruiting) at the moment, and I believe it is a two way street of trust. If my engineers do PJs secretly, it means they will also be tempted to use my materials. This way everyone knows whats going on.
OK, I used a moonlighting Transco engineer for a previous house, but this was primarily because of the ridiculous lead time quoted. I could build a nuclear reactor in three months, never mind move a gas meter. My company would never move a transco gas meter ourselves, never. If we are breaking any CORGI rules by commissioning and GWN one of our CORGI/OFTEC qualified engineers very occasional weekend jobs, please enlighten me.
All my gas installers are premanently employed on PAYE by my company and hold gas (and some also OFTEC) cards in my company name.
This means that all training and dues have been paid.
If one of my installers wants to use my van and his qualifications to do the occasional PJ in his own time, we will usually oblige them by doing the commissioning and registering afterwards.
This enables employees to have a more honest relationship with their employer and does not undermine other RGIs. If I was doing that it would affect my business too, surely, Bripl?
We are expanding (recruiting) at the moment, and I believe it is a two way street of trust. If my engineers do PJs secretly, it means they will also be tempted to use my materials. This way everyone knows whats going on.
OK, I used a moonlighting Transco engineer for a previous house, but this was primarily because of the ridiculous lead time quoted. I could build a nuclear reactor in three months, never mind move a gas meter. My company would never move a transco gas meter ourselves, never. If we are breaking any CORGI rules by commissioning and GWN one of our CORGI/OFTEC qualified engineers very occasional weekend jobs, please enlighten me.
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I am not a lawyer...you are a Gas Engineer...you know what you can & cannot do...I cannot offer an argument about the legalities or illegalities of what you are suggesting because I am not qualified to do so...I am qualified enough to understand that if I interfere,move, break the seal ,or otherwise change the position in regard to distance from the ECV of the regulator/meter then I may be liable to prosecution...if you think that this does not apply to you then please carry on...
I should just add that while a domestic RGI is probably working within his competance moving a meter, the issue is over whether you have rights to alter equipment without the owners permission.
The gas regs and electrical regs require domestic installers to obtain permission before altering any privately owned plant, whether dangerous or not.
If Transco's permission has not been given to alter or adapt their equipment, they could prosecute for tampering with their plant. I think they could also argue that you were not trained to work on live gas supplies and therefore were compromising safety.
The gas regs and electrical regs require domestic installers to obtain permission before altering any privately owned plant, whether dangerous or not.
If Transco's permission has not been given to alter or adapt their equipment, they could prosecute for tampering with their plant. I think they could also argue that you were not trained to work on live gas supplies and therefore were compromising safety.
Why? What offence is committed? Providing you're competent to do the work, of course, and excluding interfering with the governor/regulator settings or seal. Interesting to note that no-one can identify any regulation being broken.Bamber gaspipe said:
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