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Grundfos pump suddenly very noisy?

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Londoner

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:12 pm Reply with quote

Hi there wonder if anyone can help.

We have an Ideal Classic boiler, non-condensing (not that new). All has been fine since we moved in a few months ago but recently there have been very loud noises coming from the area from the pump in the upstairs airing cupboard. The pump is set on Level 2.

The noise is a bit like trapped air forcing its way through the pipe, or very high pressure water going through and it does seem to be centred on the pump (I know it might not be really, though, and acoustics can play tricks). It's loud enough to make you think the whole thing is about to explode!

What I'm wondering why it would suddenly start making a noise now when it fine for the last few months? We haven't changed any of the heating settings, other than turning the thermostat in the hallway.

To save on energy we don't have all the radiators in the housr on. 3 of them have the valve left in the closed postion. Is this a bad idea and is it anything to do with the noise?

If not how can I stop the noise? Should I turn the pump switch down to Level 1?

Any advice appreciated.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:19 pm Reply with quote

Check there's water in the header tank, and that all the rads are bled of air. WHich size Cassic? Speed 2 is probably ok up to 50 or 60, may need speed 3 bigger than that.
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Londoner

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:25 pm Reply with quote

Would the header tank be the small plastic tank in our loft, slightly larger than a toilet cistern, and not sealed shut?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:36 pm Reply with quote

I guess I should try bleeding the pump too? Just saw some older threads recommending that.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:43 pm Reply with quote

Londoner wrote:
Would the header tank be the small plastic tank in our loft, slightly larger than a toilet cistern, and not sealed shut?


Yes it is
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Londoner

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:29 pm Reply with quote

OK this has developed a bit...

Checked the header tank. Level seems normal.

Loud noises now start quite soon after we start either the hot water or central heating.

Tried unscrewing the bleed screw on th e Grundfos pump in the airing cupboard - no air came out. Also swicthed the pump down to 1. This had seemed to temporarily ease the original noise before but now it's back with a vengence. Pic of airing cupboard below:



In addition, the boiler overheat switch trips very quickly (its an Ideal Classic, non-condensing) and I have noticed that the front panel exterior of the boiler is very hot to the touch (is that normal?)

So could overheating be causing the noises?

Or is it the pump causing the overheating?

Or is it neither of those?

Any help appreciated.

PS. I tried unscrewing the bleed screw on the Grundfos pump again just now, and no air OR water came out. Nothing came out at all and I undid the screw completely. Is that what's supposed to happen???
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:49 pm Reply with quote

Hi there,
It's dee dee here,
I have just had the BG engineer round and I've just posted his prognosis. Not sure if it will help your situation but fingers crossed.
Dee.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:53 pm Reply with quote

New pump required, unless there's a load of trapped air or a blockage.
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Londoner

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:39 pm Reply with quote

thanks all.

ChrisR, would this explain the overheat switch tripping as well?

Also, is there anything I can do myself re: air trapped in the system or is it time to get British Gas round? Like I said I tried the Grundfos pump vent screw and there was no rush of air or anything.
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scaby

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:21 pm Reply with quote

blocked cold feed?
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Londoner

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:52 pm Reply with quote

scaby wrote:
blocked cold feed?


Hi scaby. Is this something I could check for and try to fix myself, or is it British Gas time?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:10 pm Reply with quote

normally when the cold feed blocks, it can be very difficult to move ,if you follow the 15mm? pipe down from the f and e to where it joins a 22mm? pipe this is where it can block
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:05 pm Reply with quote

Do you have thermostatic valves on all the open radiators?
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Londoner

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:19 pm Reply with quote

I *think* they are thermostatic. At least, they have numbers on them.

But I should say that last night we tried the hot water only (no central heating) and it still made the noises, banging, overheat switch tripped etc.
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scaby

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:42 pm Reply with quote

probably because the water level has dropped below the pump and there is no circulation of water
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