combi boiler losing pressure

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Glow Worm combi boiler losing pressure.

The heating system, when it is switched off. The boiler loses pressure, within half an hour. When the hot water is switched off, after been on for a few minutes, it loses a notch of pressure.

The pressure doesnt go up, when the hot water or the heating is on.

thanks
 
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You have a leak in the system.

This happens to a lot of people - have you searched for topics covering this problem?
 
yes i have.

i did send another post but dont know what happened to it. i have been searching the forums. Its strange, from what i can gather it could be the expansion tank. or a leak. I am more thinking of the expansion tank.

I also found that this generally happens if the boiler is on for a long period of time. also that the mrs heard clicking noises comming from the boiler. apparently nothing was on hot water, or heating.

The thing is if the heating stays on all day, the boiler stays pressurised, its when the heating is switched off, it loses the pressure dramatically.

also if the heating is off, and have the hot water on, and then turn it off, the pressure will drop down a couple of notches. rather than half a notch, with the radiators on.

i couldnt find anything related to this scenario.
 
cheeky_s0d said:
I am more thinking of the expansion tank.
Well unless water is coming out of the valve, a faulty EV won't cause repeated loss of pressure.

I also found that this generally happens if the boiler is on for a long period of time. also that the mrs heard clicking noises comming from the boiler. apparently nothing was on hot water, or heating.

The thing is if the heating stays on all day, the boiler stays pressurised, its when the heating is switched off, it loses the pressure dramatically.

also if the heating is off, and have the hot water on, and then turn it off, the pressure will drop down a couple of notches. rather than half a notch, with the radiators on.
From reading the above it appears that pressure is being lost in the following scenarios:

1. Boiler on for a long time.
2. Boiler off.
3. When the heating is switched off after being on all day.
4. When the heating hasn't been on but the hot water has been on.

So, to summarise, pressure is lost in all permutations of the heating being on and off and the hot water being on or off.

I can't reach any conclusion other than that you have a leak; this isn't an unusual scenario.

Leaks that are "invisible" are usually under the ground floor, giving you two choices:

1. Try to find it.
2. Ignore it and fit new pipework above ground level.

If you want to try and find it, you have three choices:

1. Engage a company that has equipment to pinpoint a thermal hot-spot.
2. Use reasoning and intuition to work out where the leak is.
Some people also use a listening stick.
3. Dig up all pipework under all floors until you find the leak.

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i did come across that post, but thought it wasnt related, as i dont have any pipework going through concrete.

I will increase the pressure on the boiler, so that it will be easier to locate the leak, underneath the house.

Let you know how i get on.

Thanks Softus
 
Hi All,

I've an Ariston SX20, but am sure that most combi-boilers
will produce the same symptoms, and be cured
in the same relatively simple manner.

I was losing pressure ... until tonight it was
a top-up with the filling loop every morning and night.

I initially went along with the idea of a leak,
but finally several symptoms pushed me
in the direction of investigating the
expansion tank in the boiler itself.

The symptoms:

************
From a top up every few months,
the intervening period came shorter and shorter.

A top-up used to take up to ten seconds,
it now pressured up almost immediately.

On firing up the central heating the pressure
would increase drastically from the advised 1.0 bar;
until it finally opened the safety pressure release valve.
************

Had a word on the phone with my friendly local
plumbing spares supplier and he told me what
would be required to re-prime the expansion tank.
On the way home tonight I popped into Halfords
and bought a high volume bicycle pump suitably for a BMX. £6.50.
(There are two main sizes of bicycle valve,
the Ariston uses the larger, and I was advised
that most boilers are standardised in this)

Imagine the expansion tank with a diaphragm
laid across its central axis. One half should be filled with air.
In my case, the air had vanished during the six years of its operation,
much in the same way that a car tyre loses air pressure over time.

In this scenario, as soon as the boiler fires up,
because the expansion tank is already virtually full of water,
the water in the sealed system has nowhere to expand to.

As previously stated,
on firing up the boiler, the pressure
would increase drastically from the advised 1.0 bar;
until it finally opened the safety pressure release valve.

In the case of the Ariston SX20, the priming valve
is situated at the back of the boiler.
There is no need to take the cover off the boiler,
it will be seen on the right hand side of the tank,
when looking from above;
hopefully with the original dust cap still on it.

The expansion tank in this model has a capacity of seven litres.
Ariston manual is available as download from...

http://www.centralheating.co.uk/ind....memberDetail/con_id/6444/directoryGroup/5344

...but it doesn't help with this problem.


Here's how I managed the tricky bit:

1. Find the nearest system drain valve, attach a short hose
and place a container at least 4 litres capacity under it.
2. Remove dust cap and attach the bicycle pump to the tank valve.
3. Start pumping the pressure up, until it reaches 1.5 - 2.0 bar.
4. Drain the system a little until the pressure approaches zero.
5. Repeat 4 and 5 until there are approx 3.5 litres
in the container under the system drain valve
(or however much you decide upon for your make of boiler).
6. Leave the pressure primed up to 1.0 bar.
7. Quickly remove the pump so that
not too much air is lost through the valve.
8. Replace the dust cap.

Here I was, thinking this was going to be as expensive as it gets.

P.S. This is all your baby,
I'm offering no guarantees;
suffice it to say that it worked for me.

Happy householding.
John.
 
Hi,

Further to yelloweagles post which helped solve one long term problem I have another. Thanks YE

I had a leaking overflow and was losing pressure daily as soon as the system CH was off.

I pumped air into the expansion tank and increased the pressure to 2 bar. The leak from the overflow has stopped, the pressure has stayed constant.

However when I switch on the CH it fires up but only the first 5-10cm of the CH flow pipe gets really hot and that's it, so effectively I have no CH.

The hot water works absolutely fine.

Does anyone have any suggestions? All help gratefully recieved.
Thanks in advance
 
Hello Funkeycoldmedina

a bad time of year to be having this kind of problem
been in similar straits ... and feeling for you, mate

sounds to me like you have an air lock
which could have come about because
the diaphragm in your expansion tank is totally buggered
... thus you may have been pumping air
directly into the central heating circuit

air in the system around the pump would render it ineffective

if this were the answer, then a new expansion tank is the only remedy
this is only a guess ... and I’m sorry in advance if,
on further investigation, you discover my guess is a crock of s**t
... just another idea in the mix :)

the hole in the diaphragm of my Ariston expansion tank
was a slower deterioration, requiring more and more frequent priming

it was eight years old and there were more symptoms of decay arising
... began thinking I was sold a pup, and,
coming into a bit of dosh I was able to afford
a Worcester Bosch Greenstar Junior ... which I highly recommend
... it’s got comprehensive user and maintenance handbooks

don’t know your situation, but if you’re married
it might be advisable to change your boiler before Christmas

just playing with ideas

Warm regards
John
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You shouldn't be touching the boiler

That's why there are so many accidents cos of people like you you should be ashamed !!!!!!
 

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