Can you give an example of a regular on here who hasn't asked for the install method,cable length or done calcs when advising.Or a post where the OP has been told to seek the services of an expert as they didn't appear to have a clue what they were doing?
dangerous
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nidgehj said:
there's some here
http://www.communities.gov.uk/pub/3...5SurveyofEnglishHousingPDF423Kb_id1163313.pdf
page 12
Cooking 63%
Electrical incl electric blankets 11%
Arson' about 7%
Candles 7%
Smoking & Matches 5%
Heating 5%
Horrible children playing with fire (not matches) 2%
Other 9%
nidgehj said:
<edit> Bah!
No this is not true - it is a well known fact that the Fire Service will attribute fires to electrical faults when there is a lack of evidence to prove other causes.
I happen to know a couple of Senior Fire Officers who have said this as in a lot of cases they do not have the resources to investigate fires involving non fatalities.
I happen to know a couple of Senior Fire Officers who have said this as in a lot of cases they do not have the resources to investigate fires involving non fatalities.
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nidgehj said:
You only have look back to yesterday to find a post like this: //www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=82469 where some of the qualified sparks are doing their best to ensure someone is competent to do the work they are suggesting. Often a poster only has to show the slightest hint of not being sure of what they are talking about and people will be telling them to get a qualified spark in. It seems a bit harsh sometimes - but if it makes the poster think seriously about what they are doing this is a good thing.
Hang around for a few months and you soon realise that far from encouraging people to tamper with stuff - a whole lot of discouraging goes on.
dont want to disrespect the contributors, but the site itself encourages people who do not have the relevent qualifications or membership to an aproved association which entitles them complete electrical work complying to part p of the building regulations, thus breaking the law.
nidgehj said:
Part P actually has nothing whatsoever to do with electricians, in the same way that the building regulations as a whole have nothing to do with builders.
Please stop misleading readers of this forum with meaningless statements like this.
nidgehj said:
You do not need any qualifications or trade body membership to carry out work which fully complies with Part P of the building regs.
Not so - I think those of us that carry out electrical work as a profession can tell by the nature of the questions posted on what's the best advice to give.
This is a DIY forum and as such none of us professionals should be seen to be
1. Toting for business
2. Advising posters to carry out work that we feel is unsafe for them to do
3. Discouraging those that show competence in what they are proposing
and finally please ask questions as the only stupid question is the one that doesn't get asked - every one can learn something new every day.
yea, im sure all the DIYers report to the building ispector after they have carried out major works, get real...
MOD 2
if you carry on with this antagonistic approach
i will start pressing buttons
this is a forum not your own personal soapbox if you don't like the advice
post elsewhere
MOD 2
if you carry on with this antagonistic approach
i will start pressing buttons
this is a forum not your own personal soapbox if you don't like the advice
post elsewhere
nidgehj said:
You really do need to understand that the building regulations apply to pretty much everything you can contemplate doing with a dwelling. It's not just Part P that is overlooked... many so-called professionals are entirely ignorant of the regulations, so what chance the DIYer will understand?
But, in time, awareness will grow. For now I'd be happy if the self-professed professional sparks out there took a bit of time to understand and adhere to BS 7671, never mind any of the plethora of other regulations that apply...
You're wrong again, you see.
Sit down in a well-lit room for a few months and see if you can come up with a workable scheme to police self-certifying installers that is both cheaper and easier to administrate than any of the schemes in existence.
As the mods have deduced, you're only here to stir up trouble. You'd be far better off if you started doing some proper research... like the DIYers who come on here do!
Then, when you're properly informed, you'll be in a better position to offer an opinion.
Sit down in a well-lit room for a few months and see if you can come up with a workable scheme to police self-certifying installers that is both cheaper and easier to administrate than any of the schemes in existence.
As the mods have deduced, you're only here to stir up trouble. You'd be far better off if you started doing some proper research... like the DIYers who come on here do!
Then, when you're properly informed, you'll be in a better position to offer an opinion.
well, as we all know, part p was a reaction to a single incident, and has turned out to be counter productive, the big firms can afford to register and comply, the small firms cant, the consumer gets a quote from the big boys and decides they can do the same job theirselves, without help from yourselves, before you know it, theyre another statistic. the government should have created an inspectorate, self certification is wrong . my thoughts anyway
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