logical step for Labour is to reverse Brexit

[accelerator]

Perhaps minimum wage should be regional?

A minimum wage is an artificial device. All the people working minimum wage are doing things that society requires. It's not that they could not earn enough in a fair economy, it's that the cost of living has been made too high, and this is from unchecked money printing by the financial class, and a resulting hike in inflation and accommodation costs.

Minimum wage is contrary to free market economics. Whilst I agree low paid people should be able to earn enough to live, the problem stems from the money printing and hence a dysfunctional economy where life's big essentials are artificially expensive (not set by a fair system). It's the money printing that should be addressed, but this is difficult, because it's to the benefit of the ruling class.

 

[aveatry]

Also when minimum wage goes up no one ever mentions that there are 1,000s of employers that like to keep their base wage at a certain level above the min wage and the only way they can do this is by upping their prices = inflation. I know someone in such a sector and they enjoy it when the min wage goes up as it benefits them too but the cost of the service goes up. ( catering if you need to ask)

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Was there ever a time when the people on low pay could comfortably afford the cost of rent, energy and food?

Yes, in the not too distant past

Surely they wouldn’t be called low paid if they could easily afford those things.

There's a difference between being able to live on a wage, and having to work and get benefits (that other taxpayers pay for) to live on.

I thought part of the reason for Brexit was that we didn't want low pay.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Nope. I’ve said repeatedly, they should be helped and motivated to develop higher value skills to earn their potential, just like those CEOs are.

As always you can cure 1 or 2 people, you can't take away the low paid jobs that need doing

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Perhaps minimum wage should be regional?

Based on a couple renting a 1-bed flat both working full time. Now that would encourage some levelling up

Why not based on a family owning a house?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Also when minimum wage goes up no one ever mentions that there are 1,000s of employers that like to keep their base wage at a certain level above the min wage and the only way they can do this is by upping their prices = inflation. I know someone in such a sector and they enjoy it when the min wage goes up as it benefits them too but the cost of the service goes up. ( catering if you need to ask)

Just raising minimum wage isn't the answer.

The issue is the difference between the top and the bottom.

The cost of living is the issue

 

[aveatry]

Yes, in the not too distant past

The problem with rents is that successive governments have increased the tax burden on landlords over the years so that any rent increase is a direct responce to those government interventions. Like having to pay tax as an income on the outgoings and now the new +2% tax on landlord profits, or not being able to refuse pets = increase in rent to pay for wear and tear that can not be taken from rental deposit as its wear and tear and not "damage". So more and more private landlords are selling up -- guess what - that leads to less homes available for rent and what do you think the effect that has on the remaining available homes to rent

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The problem with rents is that successive governments have increased the tax burden on landlords over the years so that any rent increase is a direct responce to those government interventions. Like having to pay tax as an income on the outgoings and now the new +2% tax on landlord profits, or not being able to refuse pets = increase in rent to pay for wear and tear that can not be taken from rental deposit as its wear and tear and not "damage". So more and more private landlords are selling up -- guess what - that leads to less homes available for rent and what do you think the effect that has on the remaining available homes to rent

As opposed to people owning their own homes that they can't afford now,

Try again

 

[blup]

Lammy’s joining the party:

David Lammy suggests UK would benefit from rejoining an EU customs union

But Keir Starmer, responding to his deputy's intervention, stresses the government wants to strengthen ties with Europe without a customs union.

news.sky.com

 

[aveatry]

As opposed to people owning their own homes that they can't afford now,

Try again

Not everyone wants to own a house.
Great how do you want to fix the problem then of people not being able to afford a house of their own you say your are a centerest so I have no doubt that you have the perfect solution that suits both the left and the right or are you happy to just point and moan like all lefties

 

[motorbiking]

Why not based on a family owning a house?

rent / mortgage wont be that different.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Not everyone wants to own a house.
Great how do you want to fix the problem then of people not being able to afford a house of their own you say your are a centerest so I have no doubt that you have the perfect solution that suits both the left and the right or are you happy to just point and moan like all lefties

The righties don't point and moan ? Ok

Not everyone wanted to own a house when it was right for the majority, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to if they want to.

The only way for a better economy is to reduce the gap between the low paid and the high paid, like it used to be. Whether it's done by limiting how much the top boss can be paid in relation to the lowest paid employee, or other ways isn't down to me. But our economy can only thrive long term if workers are paid enough to live on.

They buy things, and the economy thrives.

Currently taxpayers are subsidising business by paying benefits to (some) people in full time work. That has to be nuts !

What is wrong with being able to live on a wage? Or are you a typical rightie that thinks that's a good idea ?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

rent / mortgage wont be that different.

So why not based on a family owning a house then

 

[motorbiking]

The righties don't point and moan ? Ok

Not everyone wanted to own a house when it was right for the majority, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to if they want to.

The only way for a better economy is to reduce the gap between the low paid and the high paid, like it used to be. Whether it's done by limiting how much the top boss can be paid in relation to the lowest paid employee, or other ways isn't down to me. But our economy can only thrive long term if workers are paid enough to live on.

They buy things, and the economy thrives.

Currently taxpayers are subsidising business by paying benefits to (some) people in full time work. That has to be nuts !

What is wrong with being able to live on a wage? Or are you a typical rightie that thinks that's a good idea ?

how much is that?

So why not based on a family owning a house then

The point is that the cost of living is vastly different around the country, so the minimum / living wage should reflect that.

 

[Notch7]

Nope. I’ve said repeatedly, they should be helped and motivated to develop higher value skills to earn their potential, just like those CEOs are.

CEOs haven’t developed higher skills…they are just taking more money.


Wages for ordinary workers have stagnated since 2010, so it’s not necessary for them to develop more skills they just need to get paid enough to live on like they were pre 2010.



The problem is growing wealth inequality, you can keep denying till you are blue in face, it won’t change reality.

For somebody supposedly intelligent you are extraordinarily dumb