When to start up by yourself?

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Hi just wondering when people would say its best to start your own heating/plumbing business, basically when to jump in, as you are always learning in this trade and always feel you dont know everything what is roughly a good time to start experiance wise.

For example this was my plan

I work for a large firm doing repairs on boilers,cookers,fire etc, came through a apprentiship and have been out on my own since july 06.

I am planning on another 3 years repairs and getting all the training I can and then move onto instalations for a year then join up with a plumber for a year to get genral plumbing experiance bathrooms etc? Then jump and hopefully at this time the economy will have stabalized.

Cheers Dave
 
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Not at the beginning of a recession take what you can while you can then if push comes to shove you may end up being put in a position where you are out of work and having to look for work.

If the economy has not re stabilized in the time scale you are talking then we are all in for some bad times.

But in answer to your question the real answer is when you feel ready.I did it in 1988 and have not looked back since. now have a good team of lads in all areas across the building trade and are lucky enough at the moment to be building houses for our selves. don't care if we cant sell them we will rent out, people still need the houses to live in just cant get mortgages to buy them.
 
Hi just wondering when people would say its best to start your own heating/plumbing business,

In the winter!
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You have the right idea and you should do amazingly well in business as you have the correct attitude.

I do not care if someone has 200 years in the plumbing field they can never ever learn it all.

Codes change and so do materials we use.

When I stated my apprenticeship I did all aspects of plumbing I could get involved in.

New construction housing /high rise office building 45 stories and higher/ hospital plumbing l - commercial -institutional and industrial and fire suppression and gas fitting and of course boiler installations / inspections

I decided to go on my own and picked residential and commercial and institutional and kept away from hospital work as it is too specialized.

The best time of year of course to start is near the winter as you can do freeze ups and no heat calls and set up a client list from the winter calls.

I think the best way to go is pick one field and do it right and charge accordingly so you make a decent living.

Do not be afraid to charge higher then the blokes in your area.

Set up for credit card as this will give you better cash flow also consider sewer and drain cleaning as many times you can make more money snaking out a drain then installing a faucet and a lot easier.

Never be afraid to admit you don't know and ask others what they would do in such a situation as plumbing - heating - gas fitting - drainage can be a heck of a challenge at times

Learn as much as you can while working for someone.

Think about buying a van rather then a car as a van makes money for the business and a car is a luxury the business buys you after your established

Also reinvest in your company new equipment and stock.

One of my full sized vans I bought new in 1995 and of yesterday I noticed I have 27,000 miles on it

My Ford 2003 I have 3,060 and my 2005 1,200

The key is carrying enough inventory ( I do get poor gas mileage) but once I'm out in the field I never have to stop at a supply store to pick up parts as I carry everything needed on the vans.

What good is getting 30 MPG if every time you have a call you need to pick up materials that is time and money wasted.

Here I get an average of 4 MPG but have very little miles on the work vans as I have no wasted trips.

Charge for estimates as it cost you time to give one.

Never take work on just to keep busy charge enough to make up for slack times.

Use the days off to straighten your truck, take inventory etc.
 
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I'd guess at 4 mpg you spend as much time in the filling station than others spend picking up parts.
 
Thanks for the time spent on your replys, really helpful good advise. I dont really do much plumbing at the moment more gas and central heating repairs on the domestic side only.

I will look to get plumbing experiance as I belive it will be of benefit to offer these services even if its just for the occasional job whilst I build the business to focus on a specific area.

I hear alot of horror stories where I work about guys that have left and come back after finding running a business a nightmare, but I started this trade to start my own business and I am now mid way through my planned route and just wanted to see what you guys thought of it.

Where do you think the failed guys go wrong? from what I have seen its either they would prefer to have the security of pay packet on the table each month or they dont want to be working past 5 each night, and dont want to spend time marketing business, I apprciate this is not always the way and in todays climate there are a number of different reasons.

What would you say is the main thing you wish you knew when you first started your business?

cheers dave.
 
Dave

I have had my own business and was really good in the field. But i'll warn you about having business partners that are relatives or loved ones.

Because of that i crashed and burned. Picked up the pieces and having been learning the trade i'm in for the last couple of years. Would possibly consider going on my own if it weren't for the recession.

Hang in there get as much training as you can!

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What would you say is the main thing you wish you knew when you first started your business?



quote] That you cant trust a lot of people out there, get paid as soon as you have done your job tell them its company policy that work has to be paid for on completion or you will spend hours chasing money and hear every excuse in the book.
 
You could start now. Why not dip your toe in the water by advertising for smaller jobs (that often get shunned) changing taps, toilet overflows etc. You wouldn't need loads of kit so you could operate from a car rather than a van, you would need public liability insurance which would cost you about £150 maybe less. You could operate on your own at weekends and evenings and you will start to build your business "softly softly".

If you are good you will get recommends from customers and grow your own client list.

Don't be tempted to poach your employers business though as you will get caught out at some point for certain.

Good Luck with it :)
 
Where do you think the failed guys go wrong? from what I have seen its either they would prefer to have the security of pay packet on the table each month or they dont want to be working past 5 each night, and dont want to spend time marketing business, I apprciate this is not always the way and in todays climate there are a number of different reasons.

What would you say is the main thing you wish you knew when you first started your business?

cheers dave.

Most just can't sort their finances out. Simple as that. They think that every £ that they make is theirs then the TAX man wants his bit or they need new van or tools and there is nothing in the kitty.

Before you start, sort out all the boring stuff. Your terms and conditions are VITAL, how you get paid immediately each time, not leaving landlords certs with tenants (then landlords don't pay because they already have a copy!), How will you invoice people? Will you have pre-printed invoices or will you write them out in full each job?

If someone doesn't pay - do you know what to do? Who do you contact? How much does it cost in time and money to chase a debt? Will you get your money if you win your court case?

How much does it cost to actually run your business? Have you done a business plan? Write down everything you can think of such as:

Public liability insurance
CORGI/Capita fees
Training for ACS every 5 years (divided by 5) (include cost for travel and time lost)
Other training (include cost for travel and time lost)
Illness and Injury insurance
Vehicle (depreciation & cost to change in 3-5 years)
Vehicle maintenance (tyres, repairs etc)
Vehicle - Tax and insurance
Vehicle - fuel
Advertising in local papers
Advertising in yellow pages
Advertising on the net (often free!)
Bank charges
Parking fines (oh yes, it will happen!)
Legal services (yes you will need these at some point!)
Accountant's fees and the time it takes to do your books
Tax
Office supplies - Printing, paper, ink, printer and PC, etc
Postage (sending quotes etc)
Printing of stuff to give out like the new Doorstep selling notices, Ts and Cs etc
Time to do office work
Mobile phone contract and hands free operation (for when you are driving)
Workwear
Time off each year for a holiday, bank holidays, Christmas etc
Tools and equipment (allow for depreciation and replacement)
Sundries - brushes, plastic rubbish bags etc
Stock (working stock in your van or garage, copper, fittings, parts, valves etc)
Time to keep up with new regulations
Safety equipment if required, hard hat, eye protection, gloves, boots, warning notices (so that customers don't slip on wet floors, touch live electric or fall down open holes)
Emergency float - a sum of money in the bank you don't touch, there for unforseen emergencies!

And a whole host of other stuff I can't remember off the top of my head right now. But you get the drift, when you add all this together, allow a bit on top then put your wage or what you need to make on as well then divide this sum by 365 and thats what you have to make per day to make a living. Anything you make above that is great. (remember - could you be on the VAT threshold??)

When you price for a job how much do you need to cover in labour? Have you remembered everything you need - do you have a quote sheet which reminds you of what you will need? It also looks good for prospective customers to see that you are taking notes and look professional.

If you work 8 hours at plumbing each day, expect to do another 2 hours of paperwork each night - that will give you an idea.

There is also the time taken ringing around for best prices, looking for cheap deals on the net, pricing for jobs and sourcing parts.

Arggg, its never ending.

Right now, I would say that if you have a secure job - stick with it for the time being. The economic climate is not good for new business but you can use this time to find out all you can about the overheads involved, what others are charging, the most effective advertising etc.

As far as dipping your toe in the water whilst still working for your employer - thats not such a good idea. Don't disrespect the person paying your wage (unless you ask them if its ok to take on your own work and they give you leave to do so), otherwise, wait and do it properly then you don't burn your bridges with your employer if you don't like working for yourself.

Good luck
 
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As far as dipping your toe in the water whilst still working for your employer - thats not such a good idea. Don't disrespect the person paying your wage (unless you ask them if its ok to take on your own work and they give you leave to do so), otherwise, wait and do it properly then you don't burn your bridges with your employer if you don't like working for yourself.

Good luck

Leaving a current employer on Friday and sarting a new venture on Monday isn't always possible unless you have quite a bit of capital behind you.

Starting low key part time gives the business time to develop and also to generate some cash to go towards the start up costs.

As I said in my post don't steal the jobs from your employer as it will end in tears.

I don't know many tradespeople who don't do extra work for themselves at weekends and evenings.
 
" General Plumbing Experience-bathrooms etc." WHY do you want to go and learn a non-trade...When you are presumably a CORGI gas man . Any fool can do those jobs . I did since 1970 and never got into gas etc. Retiring in Jan next year . Nothing to do with running a business -just got lucky.My C+G certs . from the early 70`s are going in the bin. If you really want to do a plumbing related job as well as being a Gas Man . Then Clean Drains - seriously ...Where ther`s muck ther`s brass. and if you can master gaswork intellectualy...then drains are a doddle . Project a professional image to your customers. Learn all the H+Safety aspects around the job. and if it goes quiet . get a patio/concrete cleaner to go on the jetting machine . If you want to learn basic lead skills , there is a good course in Kent. And an even cheaper one in my garage, with tea+ accomodation thrown in LOL. You Gas guys have trouble getting spares ? You want to try getting plumbing/ bathroom items without brakages/non delivery. It`s not worth the bother. PS I also offer courses to TV installers on how to cut holes from both sides of a cavity wall with a hammer+ chisel
 
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