Part P

kablamar · 2 Oct 2009

It's been over four years now since Part P was introduced and i think from reading the amount of people who post here and still have no idea or intention of wanting to know what Part P means is proof of the fact that it just simply does not work..

Almost daily i come across house wiring in new colours that has been installed with complete disregard to current regulations. So is it time to re-evaluate the scheme?

Is there a better system for trying to reduce the amount of have-a-go electrical heros and cowboys? Any contractor will agree with me when i say that a large amount of electrical firms are registered in competent schemes but are hiring monkeys to house bash and blinding customers with worthless amounts of paperwork in the belief that there installations conform with Building regulations.

In fact i have yet to meet a member of a local authority who knows his a**e from his elbow when it comes to correct electrical installs.... the last of which did not know the difference between a minor works cert and an installation certificate.

Is there a government department monitoring the effects of Part P ???? or are the bodies concerned just happy to keep taking money from sparks who want/need to join a big club?

Anyone agree? i welcome your comments....

Kab

kablamar · 2 Oct 2009

//www.diynot.com/forums/posting.php?mode=reply&t=194150

I rest my case.......

ericmark · 2 Oct 2009

I have watched builders from hell type programs a few times and although the builders have made mistakes often it seems local authority building control have completely failed to do there duty as well yet there seems to be no attempt to take the county council to court.

While the County Councils can get away with not doing their job there is no chance that Part P or anything that replaces it will do any good.

If the council makes a mistake with child care they are taken to task and rightly so. But it seems this does not extend to building control.

I think if it had same rules as gas then there may be more chance of people reporting a breech in regulations but while the house holder thinks he may be liable to not only correct the faults but also pay council if he reports where the firm has turned out to be in breech of Part P it is doomed to fail.

ban-all-sheds · 2 Oct 2009

kablamar said:
//www.diynot.com/forums/posting.php?mode=reply&t=194150

Why should I want to reply to that?

ban-all-sheds · 2 Oct 2009

kablamar said:
It's been over four years now since Part P was introduced and i think from reading the amount of people who post here and still have no idea or intention of wanting to know what Part P means is proof of the fact that it just simply does not work..

You could probably make the same statement about any set of regulations.

Almost daily i come across house wiring in new colours that has been installed with complete disregard to current regulations.

I expect that almost daily you come across people driving their cars with complete disregard to the regulations too.

So is it time to re-evaluate the scheme?

Its requirements, or the way in which it's enforced?

Is there a better system for trying to reduce the amount of have-a-go electrical heros and cowboys?

Probably not.

Any contractor will agree with me when i say that a large amount of electrical firms are registered in competent schemes but are hiring monkeys to house bash and blinding customers with worthless amounts of paperwork in the belief that there installations conform with Building regulations.

That is not because of flaws in the regulations - it is entirely due to the venal and cynical organisations to which those self-same contractors belong prostituting themselves and shamefully lowering their standards for registration for the sake of more revenue and more clout.

The real solution for that is not for the contractors to moan about Part P, it is for them to take the gloves off and really go after the incompetent firms, and the scheme organisers as hard as they can. And I mean hard. Name and shame with photographs, names, addresses and phone numbers, and let the b*****s sue if they dare. Disruption of the scheme organisers AGMs. Report bad work to TSO and LABC and then pester those organisations relentlessly until they either prosecute or make a public statement explaining why they are not bothering to.

Is there a government department monitoring the effects of Part P ????

I doubt it.

or are the bodies concerned just happy to keep taking money from sparks who want/need to join a big club?

What do you think?

holmslaw · 2 Oct 2009

Rob_Quads · 2 Oct 2009

I don't think Part P will have made any difference to the people it was claimed it was going to stop which was the people had no-clue at all doing VERY dangerous things and endangering lives.

IMO These people will carry on just as before. They didn't care about regs etc before so why should they now

Unless something like Gas Safe was introduced its mostly a waste of time i.e. If you were paid you HAVE to be ElecSafe, if not paid then just competant.

(I will get flamed for the competant comment but hey the Gas guys do it so why not elecy. Just because someone has not taken the 17th edition exams or what ever they are called does not mean they are competant for certain jobs)

Goldberg · 2 Oct 2009

kablamar said:
It's been over four years now since Part P was introduced and i think from reading the amount of people who post here and still have no idea or intention of wanting to know what Part P means is proof of the fact that it just simply does not work.

Flawed reasoning, I feel.

CORGI has existed since 1970, and registration became mandatory in 1991, and yet there are still people posting here who don't know where the line is.

Almost daily i come across house wiring in new colours that has been installed with complete disregard to current regulations. So is it time to re-evaluate the scheme?

No.

Is there a better system for trying to reduce the amount of have-a-go electrical heros and cowboys.

Only if people become less stingy and pay the going rate for a safe and professional job. The cowboy industry is fueled entirely by penny-pinching customers, nothing else.

mattylad · 2 Oct 2009

Whats part p?

sparkyspike · 2 Oct 2009

Two weeks ago I was doing an installation in central London. The owner was in the lounge and told me that a few months ago, a firm had wired up their loft conversion and had then gone bust. He asked if, when I had finished my job, I could provide him with an EIC so he could sign it off.

I explained that I could offer a PIR for the loft conversion, plus a MWC for my job. He didn't know what either of these were, but said that that would be fine.

Then the real owner came down the stairs. The person I had been speaking to was the BCO!

SparkyNinja · 2 Oct 2009

Good thing you said what you said then..

kablamar · 3 Oct 2009

sparkyspike said:
Then the real owner came down the stairs. The person I had been speaking to was the BCO!

Exactly my point.... the people charged with controlling this scheme have not got a clue. It does'nt work and will never work and needs to be scrapped or changed.

Johnmelad502 · 3 Oct 2009

Only if people become less stingy and pay the going rate for a safe and professional job. The cowboy industry is fueled entirely by penny-pinching customers, nothing else.

There are also an awful lot of people who can't afford to pay the prices charged by electricians.

flameport · 3 Oct 2009

Johnmelad502 said:
There are also an awful lot of people who can't afford to pay the prices charged by electricians.

Yes, usually the ones with the 50 inch plasma tv, solid Corian kitchen and two BMWs on the front driveway.

Goldberg · 3 Oct 2009

Johnmelad502 said:
There are also an awful lot of people who can't afford to pay the prices charged by electricians.

Those may well be the very people who can't afford not to pay.

OOI, are you talking about houseowners? If so, didn't the same people make a decision to invest money in buying a house, instead of renting? If so, didn't those houseowners budget for the cost of maintaining their investment?

I don't believe that there's a single householder in the land who hasn't been advised that electrical installations don't last forever, and rewiring is necessary every so often, so there's no such thing as a houseowner who doesn't know that houses cost money to maintain. If they prefer to stick their heads in the sand and pretend to themselves that faults never happen, then why do you think they deserve any sympathy?

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