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davebgas · 30 Oct 2009

What controls do I need with a high efficiency boiler?
Good heating controls require a minimum of four things:

an electronic timer or programmer that allows separate switching of heating and hot water
a room thermostat
thermostatic radiator control valves (TRVs), and
separate thermostatic control on the hot water system
Additional controls that may be worth considering to get the very best from a central heating system include intelligent heating controls, a weather compensator, a boiler energy manager and full zone control.
These are all explained on our page about Modern Central Heating Controls.

taken from http://www.nef.org.uk/energysaving/boilers.htm

In all cases, check that your installer has recent qualifications in energy efficiency. Gas Safe Register or OFTEC can confirm this. If the installation is for an oil-fired boiler, an alternative would be to ask your installer if they hold a Certificate in Energy Efficiency for Domestic Heating or an equivalent qualification.

from
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/Planning/BuildingRegulations/DG_10030520

Fooooook me I'm good......

Government says must hold the certificate......

Come on Goldberg......... argue that matey..... goverment says you must.... why would they say that if it wasnt MANDATORY....

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Goldberg · 30 Oct 2009

billy bob said:
Goldberg said:

billy bob said:

Ohhhh, its all gone quiet over there

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You went quiet because you were unable to provide any information about the legislation that requires either a room thermostat or that an installer has an EE certificate.

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It has been proven to you

Only in your imagination. You haven't posted any information, let alone any proof.

billy bob · 30 Oct 2009

Goldberg said:
billy bob said:

Goldberg said:

billy bob said:

Ohhhh, its all gone quiet over there

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You went quiet because you were unable to provide any information about the legislation that requires either a room thermostat or that an installer has an EE certificate.

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It has been proven to you

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Only in your imagination. You haven't posted any information, let alone any proof.

Try looking at the post above, all the proof you need, or as usual will you choose to ignore it

Goldberg · 30 Oct 2009

billy bob said:
Try looking at the post above

Do you mean the post by davebgas?

billy bob · 30 Oct 2009

seen as you are so clever Goldberg, let us ask you, you show me where it says you do not require a room stat, or similar, or where it says that you don't need EE, what you seem to be forgetting is at some point people will want to sell their house, if they do not have the correct paperwork, from competent and qualified installers( EE qualification been one of them) to prove everything has been insatlled correctly and notified, you will not be able to sell.

kevplumb · 30 Oct 2009

goldberk said:
Only in your imagination. You haven't posted any information, let alone any proof.

neither have you

occupation ?

yawn

billy bob · 30 Oct 2009

Goldberg said:
billy bob said:

Try looking at the post above

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Do you mean the post by davebgas?

Do I have to describe the meaning of the word "ABOVE" for you

Goldberg · 30 Oct 2009

davebgas said:
Good heating controls require a minimum of four things:
...

taken from http://www.nef.org.uk/energysaving/boilers.htm[/QUOTE]
That web site appears to be operated by a charity that plays no part in either making or enforcing The Building Regulations.

In all cases, check that your installer has recent qualifications in energy efficiency. Gas Safe Register or OFTEC can confirm this. If the installation is for an oil-fired boiler, an alternative would be to ask your installer if they hold a Certificate in Energy Efficiency for Domestic Heating or an equivalent qualification.

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from
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/Planning/BuildingRegulations/DG_10030520[/QUOTE]
That paragraph is advice for consumers, encouraging them to "check that your installer has recent qualifications in energy efficiency" - it's no more than that - advice.

I don't know why you think that it's the law.

Government says must hold the certificate.

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No, the government doesn't say that at all.

argue that matey..... goverment says you must.... why would they say that if it wasnt MANDATORY.

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Firstly, and I'm repeating this in the hope that it will sink in, that government web site does not say "you must".

Secondly, if it did, it would be wrong, because it would not override The Building Regulations, which don't say "you must".

This "proof" is just nonsense. Will somebody please take this seriously and post a reference to whatever thing you think actually makes it the law that an installer must hold an EE certificate.

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billy bob · 30 Oct 2009

I said "Dance Goldberg, Dance man"

kevplumb · 30 Oct 2009

jesus how many times must you be told

and told

and told

you pick bits out of posts to suit your nit picking

now post the info you have been asked for all night

or ain't you got the bottle

put up or shut up

you are seriously becoming a pedantic pain in the ass

Goldberg · 30 Oct 2009

billy bob said:
you show me where it says you do not require a room stat, or similar

The absence of the statement "A room thermostat is mandatory" is a good indication that it isn't mandatory.

or where it says that you don't need EE

The absence of the statement "EE is mandatory" is a good indication that it isn't mandatory.

what you seem to be forgetting is at some point people will want to sell their house

I haven't forgotten that - this is why the Approved Documents are useful, because they bring a lot of good practice unto one place so that people can can use it and refer to it.

if they do not have the correct paperwork, from competent and qualified installers( EE qualification been one of them) to prove everything has been insatlled correctly and notified, you will not be able to sell.

That's simply untrue. It might delay a sale, or make a sale harder, or reduce the value of a property, but it can't prevent a sale.

I don't know why you can't just write down something that you know to be mandatory, and then offer for discussion the things that you think are a good idea. Is it because you think that you can't afford not to be utterly black and white with your advice to novices that might read this?

Just because someone on a course says that it's the law, doesn't mean that it is. And just because the members of the baying mob that surrounds you are all shouting that it's the law, doesn't mean that it is.

There is no law that says a room thermostat is mandatory. If there was such a law, it would be very easy for someone to have found a reference to it during the course of the last 10 pages.

There is no law that says an installer must have an EE certificate. If there was such a law, it would be very easy for someone to have found a reference to it during the course of the last 10 pages.

kevplumb · 30 Oct 2009

prick said:
There is no law that says a room thermostat is mandatory.

who said it was

davebgas · 30 Oct 2009

WHY THE FLYING **** ARE THE GOVERNMENT ADVISING PEOPLE AS YOU SAY TO CHECK THE INSTALLER HAS THE QUALIFICATION IF ITS NOT MANDATORY THEN YOU ****ING ******!!!

GOD I'D LOVE TO MEET YOU.....

kevplumb · 30 Oct 2009

calm down dave

Goldberg · 30 Oct 2009

davebgas said:
WHY THE FLYING **** ARE THE GOVERNMENT ADVISING PEOPLE AS YOU SAY TO CHECK THE INSTALLER HAS THE QUALIFICATION IF ITS NOT MANDATORY

If it's so important that you have to shout it, then why don't you ask the government that question?

If you want my prediction of the answer you'll get, it's that it's good advice.

Are you one of those people who thinks that the government department responsible for that web site is populated by people who are all 100% competent, all of the time?

If so, you're very rare, as most of us think that the government reels from giant c*ck-up to giant c*ck-up, barely pausing for breath in between.

The truth, of course, is somewhere in the middle - there are lots of non-partisan and competent people in the civil service, and I'm sure that they can tell the difference between what's currently law and what is merely advice that they can use to steer people in the general direction of having more energy efficient homes.

If someone has convinced you that roomstats and EE certificated installers are mandatory, then you've been misled. If you paid to be given that wrong information, then you've been a lickle bit gullible.

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