chase concrete ceiling for 1mm csa lighting?

mgx · 11 Oct 2009

ban-all-sheds said:
My house has 1.96m ones, with 2.45m ceilings - I don't see how, say, 2.35m ceilings would be so appalling as to make cables visibly clipped to the ceiling look better.

Cost and effort of all this false ceiling though and to change door heights and to avoid nailing batons into 15cm zone already with wiring ...

ban-all-sheds said:
mgx said:

You guys must be builders . All I need is a proper solution ...

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A proper solution?

I can offer you 3

Lower the ceilings enough to be able to conceal cables up there.

Learn to like seeing cables clipped to the surface of your ceilings.

Sell the flat and buy somewhere without solid concrete ceilings.

There are more solutions. I'm not sure about D trunking, but someone suggested it ... happy to hear more, apart from the naff ones

. I'm unlikely to sell a flat just for an issue like this, but yes, that's a solution (in the extreme). I could put some mirrors up there and some wall spots and get the angle of incidence right, that's not too bad, could add an adult dimension to romantic dinners ...

(regarding the PIR comment: I have all the circuits and the installation documented and even photographed, so as long as any future owner doesn't lose these, everything should be clear - yes and of course it will be inspected, no I can't do anything too unconventional as this probably won't get passed)

sparkwright · 11 Oct 2009

ban-all-sheds";p="1366597 said:
mgx said:

mgx said:

ceiling height is only 2.4m.

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mgx said:

The entire flat has full height doors (other than bathrooms).

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You've got 2.4m doorways?

My house has 1.96m ones, with 2.45m ceilings - I don't see how, say, 2.35m ceilings would be so appalling as to make cables visibly clipped to the ceiling look better.

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think he means he has dooframes with a window/panel over the door.

mgx · 11 Oct 2009

sparkwright said:
think he means he has dooframes with a window/panel over the door

The doors go all the way to the ceiling - they are really nice, I don't feel like cutting them. Nor cutting down the built in wardrobe doors ... nor other stuff I probably haven't though of yet ... like I said, false ceiling is great idea. Works in general (had it done before on a smaller flat), but won't work here.

sparkwright · 11 Oct 2009

a small area of false ceiling then. away from the doors. a sort of split level ceiling. could look quite contempory if done well.

mgx · 11 Oct 2009

sparkwright said:
a small area of false ceiling then. away from the doors. a sort of split level ceiling. could look quite contempory if done well.

Nice idea ... and this is what we are doing for the kitchen - it's a bulkhead lowered by 15cm over most of the kitchen, 30-50cm from the walls / edge of the kitchen. At least for this, I can run some boxing from the rear wall into the bulkhead and it will not be so noticeable and look okay due to size of the bulkhead. So I don't have as much a problem here.

An option I am thinking of is to do the same but smaller in scale (say, a 75cm x 1.75m section) over the dining area. In this case some very thin boxing with cable in it between the wall and the this may be okay.

Will figure out a solution ... now that I am a bit more enlightened, even if it feels like I came out of a boxing ring

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ColJack · 12 Oct 2009

how about 20 way ribbon cable?

ban-all-sheds · 12 Oct 2009

mgx said:
There are more solutions. I'm not sure about D trunking, but someone suggested it ... happy to hear more, apart from the naff ones .

Trunking on the ceiling, no matter what its profile, is one of the naff ones.

mgx said:
The doors go all the way to the ceiling - they are really nice, I don't feel like cutting them. Nor cutting down the built in wardrobe doors ... nor other stuff I probably haven't though of yet ... like I said, false ceiling is great idea. Works in general (had it done before on a smaller flat), but won't work here.

Then there is no way to have cables on the ceiling with no evidence of their presence.

Mark Elvin · 12 Oct 2009

Steve said:
.........I really wouldn't panic about looseing a couple of inches.

Try telling that to my Mrs.

mgx · 4 Jan 2010

Here's the end result, as carried out and certified by my builder and Part-P electrician (I did the design and first fix for everything: he verified - said it was better than most of the professional stuff he sees

), then did final wiring up and testing). We reskimmmed the ceiling which on top of the existing plaster gave enough room to embedded the lighting cable - electrician was happy to do this and certify it. For the bulkhead, low profile boxing enough that it is not visible. Some settling of timber that I need fix up with paint, and a diffuser needed for the LED lights, and the cover back on the presence sensor, etc. Happy with the result. I didn't have to move

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333rocky333 · 4 Jan 2010

Good of you to return and show the results.
Thanks.

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