What a day! Combi 'fixed'!
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i would be iterested to know what one would call a person who just to change , for example an aps on a boiler , requires to use test equipment that he or she has trained to use , so as to diagnose the fault. Then remove and replace the part because by law they can due to being qualified with a pass mark of 100%.Then test the appliance using different instruments that they have been trained to use , so as to verify that all is working to the correct parameters.Anyone like to add more.
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a technician,as per IGEMs new title and enrollment.(if he had no qualifiaction but training he would be a mechanic)
if you wish to apply minimum is GSR,then for the true titles of IEng,CEng you need to have a better academic qualification and experience.
Note the differences Technician...Engineer. All based around academic qualification.
in foreign lands you are not an engineer without a degree,to trade as one without the qualification to do so could result in fines.
if you join an engineering registration such as IEE,IGEM etc your title will be decided based on academics.
The use of the term engineer doesnt matter to joe public,in certain industries its an essential part of the work with only the right people being able to sign for the right things having to state their title when signing.
Lee
call me what you wnat just pay me
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The term "engineer" may also be used to describe holders of some forms of professional certification other than university degrees, such as Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, Cisco Networking Academy Certified Novell Engineer, Red Hat Certified Engineer and so on.
I agree wholeheartedly with your post chartered. It really bugs me that the term 'engineer' has been cheapened so much over the years. You want sky fitting at your house? Send an engineer out. Boiler mending? Send an engineer out. Washing machine leaking? Send an engineer out? You want a bridge over the Humber? Hmm who does that then?
Somewhere along the line the word engineer has been adopted instead of 'fitter' for most applications. Much like shelf stackers are now replenishment controller (or replenishment engineers most likely ...) its a way of making a job seem better than it is.
I noticed the other day at my work (we are a firm that designs and undertakes subsea oil and gas completions and tie-ins) that someone had left a note on a broken vending machine to inform us an 'engineer' had been called.
I recall a few years ago I manned a stall at a careers evening at a local school on behalf of the ICE, interest was lackluster to say the least but the majority of people who came up to speak to us were looking to get into plumbing
The sooner Engineer is a protected title, like it is everywhere else in the world, the better. Don't get me wrong though - I'm not running any other professions down here, they do fantastic and useful work - but they should be proud of their own trade and not a borrowed title.
i cant wait for this to happen, the times i have been insulted by people calling me a heating engineer or a gas engineer, i always have to correct them and tell them i am a PLUMBER and they better not forget it, a great honest TRADE and those of us who spent the time learningthe trade should be proud to be known as plumbers (even if we have diversified/dumbed down into gas, oil solar etc )
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But you're no longer a plumber kirk. You are a learning facilitator nowi cant wait for this to happen, the times i have been insulted by people calling me a heating engineer or a gas engineer, i always have to correct them and tell them i am a PLUMBER and they better not forget it, a great honest TRADE and those of us who spent the time learningthe trade should be proud to be known as plumbers (even if we have diversified/dumbed down into gas, oil solar etc )
you have posted as chartered engineer
what exactly are you an engineer of
as for your link??
that would cover most gas /oilmen and plumbers in the uk & ireland
gas & oilmen cover all the criteria to have and use the title of engineer
anybody deemed competent by a state body to hold a cert for gas ,oil ,or plumbing is not actually an engineer
but when you have a time served plumber and heating engineer and they are installing and commissioning not just servicing there is a huge difference between engineer and technician
then there is the ??? all heating trades have to use maths and physics
the point is who cares what title you use so long as you can do the job with the required safety and knowledge
what exactly are you an engineer of
as for your link??
that would cover most gas /oilmen and plumbers in the uk & ireland
gas & oilmen cover all the criteria to have and use the title of engineer
anybody deemed competent by a state body to hold a cert for gas ,oil ,or plumbing is not actually an engineer
but when you have a time served plumber and heating engineer and they are installing and commissioning not just servicing there is a huge difference between engineer and technician
then there is the ??? all heating trades have to use maths and physics
the point is who cares what title you use so long as you can do the job with the required safety and knowledge
you seem to have bee in your bonnet about what people call them selves why? why even post such crap? like I said on here before "plumbers" are highly trained people with a wealth of knowledge who would knock spots off a chartered engineer..
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Great to see someone using their initiative and not letting something beat them
well you have fixed it, spent a lot of money on parts, and oh yeah TWO days labour that adds about £600-00 to the bill ...you do the maths
I've spent maybe 10 hours in total on it and nearly half of that on the diverter valve issues. I'm neither expert nor engineer so took great care and time to not rush things. I paid public prices for the parts when trade get them alot cheaper. Someone who does this for a living on a daily basis no doubt would do it quicker and cheaper. My gripe is the original 'engineer'/plumber didn't even diagnose the fault correctly. That £300 mistake I avoided has paid for the parts and taught me something new.
I'm neither a plumber nor an engineer and I doubt i'll ever take it up as a vocation, my shoulders aren't wide enough for all them chips!! </tongueincheek>
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Everyone goes to so called Uni now (no fails now) doing Media studies and social work et al Now what idiot is going to work for a living in the Uk when public service jobs without responsibility can offer wall to wall sick leave (look at the Police) and an inflation proofed pension at 60. Get real mate!!
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