Welfare state? when will the abuse end?

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Went to another new build home today, for the single mother, unvented hot water, solar panels on roof, walk in wardrobes and a shed with places for the many kids to store their bikes.....garden and a drive for a car...fitted kitchen, why do I bother going to work???? All on the bill of your`s truly........and they just laugh..... I hate this country...we are gonna rent a council house, spens all our money, then sit on our lazy asses, x
 
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My sister has this pleasure, my missus hates it all, she wants to know how can people on the dole, run cars,, big tv, beer, hols,..etc.

Alot of people around here have a better life than us, as we pay the full council tax. we struggle as only she is working, two(legal) jobs.

But, i do admit to some fiddle if i have too survive.
 
Its all a big myth that the taxpayer is funding peoples extragant lifestyles! :rolleyes:

Working at the CAB I have seen many people on benefits that are scraping by . Working out their benefits entitlement does not take long and really there is very little for some people to have to live on. :(

Take it from me that (if entitled) the state gives you a house and discount off your council tax and a small amount to live on (approx £64 per person) and thats all. Few child benefits too if applicable.

All these luxuries are being funded by illegal working (on the side) or illegal activities! :evil:
 
illegal activities!
should be locked up then!
Nice 5 bedroom detached, double garage, long driveway, garden front and back, 4 kids, BMW and a 4x4.
Never worked, something does not add up :confused:
 
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Bahco";p="1607901 said:
Its all a big myth that the taxpayer is funding peoples extragant lifestyles! :rolleyes:
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Rent, council tax, maintenance,all free, no myth there sunbeam? and money thrown in to eat,feed ya kids, what do you have to do? nothing...

no myth there sunbeam....


Annoying working people who stupidly bought and struggle every month to keep a home over their heads? Too true mate....why bother? you can get it all fer nowt. ;)

Anyone without a job should be made to pick up litter/clean our environment....no excuse. it`s a disgrace...
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LittlePlum2 said:
Anyone without a job should be made to pick up litter/clean our environment....no excuse. it`s a disgrace...
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Anyone who is fit for work and claiming benefits, should be made to contribute in some way, whether it is picking up litter or volunteering as a carer/helper or doing something for the community etc..
I agree.
 
Bahco said:
All these luxuries are being funded by illegal working (on the side) or illegal activities! :evil:
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Surely this statement is incorrect - working is never illegal (for British nationals), its the claiming of benefits they arent entitled to at the same time, thats illegal. Still scum of the earth IMO. :evil:
 
OK I'll stick my head over the parapet here and see what happens.

I have been out of work for a year now, and when I was made redundant I went to the claims people only to be told that I could not claim anything, even after paying 20+ yrs tax.

After several months I found out that the information I was given was wrong and I could claim contribution based Jpb seekers allowance of £64/week for 6 months. I'm now half way through that and not sure where it will go after that.

However during this time we applied and recieved child tax credits of about £85/week. When you add this together it equals £596 per month just enough to cover my mortgage but not food, clothing, bills or any form of enjoyment.

As my partner earns less than a thrid of what I did, we have struggled with what she brings home added to the benefits we get we can just about keep our heads above water. The mortgage company do not want to know and I have a 60% mortgage that I wish to turn to interest only for a while but they wont cooperate as it would be under £100 a month in interest.

Wheres my help and support, I have done the right thing and payed taxes, saved and contributed to NI so why do I not get a seat on the gravy train???

On the flip side we do have savings and I jointly inherited a house when my mother died last year. But at least I have put into the system and should be first in the queue rather than a lot of the work shy scum who seem to know where to go and what to complain about.

It just doesn't make sense..... :evil:
 
Daz66 said:
OK I'll stick my head over the parapet here and see what happens.
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It just doesn't make sense..... :evil:
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I completely understand how you feel.
Just a couple of points though.

Firstly, the JSA is paying off your house. I.e. the government is buying your house for you. I know you said you tried to get an interest free mortgage, but maybe you should think about changing suppliers.

Secondly, I can imagine your wife brings hope about a grand a month? So you are left with a couple of hundred pound mortgage, a few hundred on bills...
...so you shouldn't really have any problems.

That said, I have no problems with contribution JSA.It is nnly money you paid in after all.
 
I would have no problem blowing the whistle on anyone, the only thing is when you do all you get from the authorities is 'why are you telling us this, what proof do you have. blah blah blah'

They ask us to tell, even offer rewards. but when you do they dont want to know and NEVER do anything about it.

I will get by, we are still managing to keep two cars going and we where warm through the winter, when I come of JSA I will probably find some part time work that fits in with looking after the kids just to boost things a bit. However we will be camping again this year and I will still be wearing the same clothes for another year, I've never been a fashionista anyway but a couple of new polo shirts would be nice but then christmas is the time for giving.

I'm sensible about things, something my mum taught me, I only owe the mortgage and everything else is owned so we really only have the basic bills to pay. But with young kids thats quite a lot, clothes, toys, swimming lessons etc. but I dont mind we are happy as we are..............maybe one day the big lottery win will come :LOL:
 
Just a couple of points though.
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I knew there were a few points....

Firstly, the JSA is paying off your house.
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Temporarily, fair shot there.

I.e. the government is buying your house for you.
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You need to understand a few things, Ill get back to them later.


Secondly, I can imagine your wife brings hope about a grand a month? So you are left with a couple of hundred pound mortgage, a few hundred on bills...
...so you shouldn't really have any problems.
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Imagine away, you either work for or are employed by the employment/unemployment services? that`s me imagining.


That said, I have no problems with contribution JSA.
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You do, otherwise you wouldn`t be quizzing the guy on his personal circumstances.



1) I am not quizzing, he offered the information up for comment.

2) I am guessing as he is unemployed, therefore his wife is working, as he mentions he looks after the kids. 1k a month is not that far away from minimum wage so I thought it was quite a logical to assume she earnt that.

3) You never got back to me about the "Government buying your house" comment. Don't really see what more there is to say. It is the same reason MPs could/should only claim interest only mortgages, as they shouldn't be gaining something from the expenses and using JSA to pay back loans is not really what it was intended for.

However, like i said, cont. JSA is fine by me as it is only money he paid in over the years.


On YOUR situation, you seem to have had hard luck. I'd say computer errors and being called upon by the fraud squad isn't what normally happens.
 
skitzee2k said:
Firstly, the JSA is paying off your house. I.e. the government is buying your house for you.
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i am afraid you are wrong the goverment only pays up to 95 ish percent off the interest and thats after 6 months no payment then 6 half interest

nothing off the capital
 
Big all, this was in reply to

"However during this time we applied and recieved child tax credits of about £85/week. When you add this together it equals £596 per month just enough to cover my mortgage but not food, clothing, bills or any form of enjoyment.
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not on their system where they actuall pay towards the mortgages, which is reserved for the most hard up.

In this example I was simply saying that just because the money is the same as a mortgage, that shouldn't be used as proof that it is not a lot of money.

If I got a loan of 20k and lost my job, saying "my benefits only just pay my loan, i don't get that much" would not hold weight.
 
Well I am a guy that works int he private sector but never mind.

So, if you have always worked how can this also be true
, I know, I`ve been there, a few times, my crime? newly unemployed, let`s hound the crap outta the guy, was called in by the fraud squad about 6 weeks in to my claim because of a computer error,
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I mean either you have always worked in which case this is made up, or you have had problems in the past and have been unemployed for atleast 6 weeks +, which would mean that my assertion that you are the exception rather than the rule in your 'computer error' situation is valid.
 
Are we supposed to feel sorry for him because he took on a mortgage that took up most of his incoming finances?

That's the risk you take when you sign up to a long term financial agreement, in his case the risk hasn't paid off, get over it. There are millions of people that have no chance of getting onto the property ladder, he should count himself lucky!
 
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