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no i wish they would but part center does
weve done a few cast concrete ex council places, matey above is right. we use a breaker to smash through, much easier and quicker and you wouldnt know once collars were on. i certainly wouldnt be coring through.
petit pablos advice is good and should be your priority.
alot of guys want to hang the boiler too or will dismantle to check.
i personally wouldnt be signing your work off but that doesnt mean someone else wont.
if your really tight on budget then a main is as good as a baxi, but your only talking an extra couple hundred quid to fit something really solid alot further up the scale.
dont fit an ideal.
one other thing, you dont want trvs on every single rad, an open rad with a room stat is important.
petit pablos advice is good and should be your priority.
alot of guys want to hang the boiler too or will dismantle to check.
i personally wouldnt be signing your work off but that doesnt mean someone else wont.
if your really tight on budget then a main is as good as a baxi, but your only talking an extra couple hundred quid to fit something really solid alot further up the scale.
dont fit an ideal.
one other thing, you dont want trvs on every single rad, an open rad with a room stat is important.
Thats right its part centre , the branch I go to in Send sometimes the counters are very close together so on one counter they will not sell you a gas valve unless you are gas safe , but on the other counter they will sell you a boiler & you are sometimes served by the same person
Must admit some of this post sounds like ?? advice on DIY gas work to me
maybe ? perhaps?
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Thats right its part centre , the branch I go to in Send sometimes the counters are very close together so on one counter they will not sell you a gas valve unless you are gas safe , but on the other counter they will sell you a boiler & you are sometimes served by the same person
Must admit some of this post sounds like ?? advice on DIY gas work to me
maybe ? perhaps?
Well, your wrong - I have NO intention to do the gas work myself....Although i'm 100% confident i could, i'm not going to !
i've previously worked with high pressure air, oxygen, and various high pressure gases( when i say worked with, i mean made custom filling rigs, manifolds, pipes etc)....but never with domestic gas...2 lifes would be at stake in my house, so i'll leave that bit to someone who is gas-safe.
Must admit some of this post sounds like ?? advice on DIY gas work to me
maybe ? perhaps?[/quote]
Well, your wrong - I have NO intention to do the gas work myself....Although i'm 100% confident i could, i'm not going to !
i've previously worked with high pressure air, oxygen, and various high pressure gases( when i say worked with, i mean made custom filling rigs, manifolds, pipes etc)....but never with domestic gas...2 lifes would be at stake in my house, so i'll leave that bit to someone who is gas-safe.[/quote]
I'm sure you could because the skill level for gas fitting is actually very low.
We play on the publics fear of unless you use a RGI you will blow up or get CO2 poisoned!
Although very few people see it this way I believe the main reason registration was introduced was to stop gas fitters moonlighting at weekends!
However, here we all are in 2010 and having to pay vast amounts of money to training centres for what are mainly egg sucking refresher courses so we can legally fit gas boilers.
Rant over!!
maybe ? perhaps?[/quote]
Well, your wrong - I have NO intention to do the gas work myself....Although i'm 100% confident i could, i'm not going to !
i've previously worked with high pressure air, oxygen, and various high pressure gases( when i say worked with, i mean made custom filling rigs, manifolds, pipes etc)....but never with domestic gas...2 lifes would be at stake in my house, so i'll leave that bit to someone who is gas-safe.[/quote]
I'm sure you could because the skill level for gas fitting is actually very low.
We play on the publics fear of unless you use a RGI you will blow up or get CO2 poisoned!
Although very few people see it this way I believe the main reason registration was introduced was to stop gas fitters moonlighting at weekends!
However, here we all are in 2010 and having to pay vast amounts of money to training centres for what are mainly egg sucking refresher courses so we can legally fit gas boilers.
Rant over!!
i'm not a fan of breaking the law....Nor loosing my job over it....Hence why i'll be paying a gas safe dude to come and do it for me.
So far, it looks like me doing all the hard work ( boxing the wall, mounting the jig, plumbing all the rads, taps, shower etc.....) then getting the guy in to do the gas pipe+hang the boiler, make finals, fill+test etc.
Did i mention i'm fitting a new bathroom, a false ceiling, and new walls...At the same time as this boiler stuff ?????
new floorboards are needed after a leak when we first bought the house, bathroom suite is crap, so its all getting ripped out and replaced....
So far, it looks like me doing all the hard work ( boxing the wall, mounting the jig, plumbing all the rads, taps, shower etc.....) then getting the guy in to do the gas pipe+hang the boiler, make finals, fill+test etc.
Did i mention i'm fitting a new bathroom, a false ceiling, and new walls...At the same time as this boiler stuff ?????
new floorboards are needed after a leak when we first bought the house, bathroom suite is crap, so its all getting ripped out and replaced....
My remark or comment was not directed at you !! personally it is of no importance to me wether you engage in diy gas work or not , providing you do not live next door , above or below me
Gas registration was introduced to protect the consumer , funded by the installation industry !
One could argue about the skill level of most things or tasks ??
Gas registration was introduced to protect the consumer , funded by the installation industry !
One could argue about the skill level of most things or tasks ??
Yeah, I know it wasn't directed at me, But i just wanted to clear up the fact i don't plan to DIY the gas.
As for skill, I completely know what you mean - My job is "semi" skilled....but i could teach joe bloggs the basics in less than a day - Would he be safe doing it though....I doubt it very much doubt it...and would he know how to overcome possilbly life threating problems.....Definetly not !!!!
Anyway, back to the discusion - looks like i can get hepworth plastic pipe+fittings pretty cheap - So i'll likely be using them.
I've costed the entire thing at £3k - thats full central heating, new bathroom suite, thermo mix shower, new floorboards, new lowered ceiling, 16m2 of tiles, lighting, wiring, plumbing....and a crate of beer !..everything right down to the boxes of screws, concrete bolts, tools i'll need to buy...
having all the work done for me would cost WAY over £7k......so i'm onto a winner at the moment !
As for skill, I completely know what you mean - My job is "semi" skilled....but i could teach joe bloggs the basics in less than a day - Would he be safe doing it though....I doubt it very much doubt it...and would he know how to overcome possilbly life threating problems.....Definetly not !!!!
Anyway, back to the discusion - looks like i can get hepworth plastic pipe+fittings pretty cheap - So i'll likely be using them.
I've costed the entire thing at £3k - thats full central heating, new bathroom suite, thermo mix shower, new floorboards, new lowered ceiling, 16m2 of tiles, lighting, wiring, plumbing....and a crate of beer !..everything right down to the boxes of screws, concrete bolts, tools i'll need to buy...
having all the work done for me would cost WAY over £7k......so i'm onto a winner at the moment !
Fix the jig to the wall, do all the plumbing work and cut the hole for the flue. Let your RGI hang the boiler (route the gas and fit the flue) for his own piece of mind.
If you as an operative decide to take on the responsibility of commisioning an appliance that you have not installed yourself you will take full responsibility for the installation !
If the installation is subsequently inspected the install becomes yours & you will be held responsible for any defects that were found & you would be expected to put them right ! This would also include relevant electrics , condensate disposal , compliance with building regs & energy effiency !
Further to this if the property was subsequently sold the new owners would also consider the person who's name appears on any documentation as the profesional & responsible person should any issues arise !
If the installation is subsequently inspected the install becomes yours & you will be held responsible for any defects that were found & you would be expected to put them right ! This would also include relevant electrics , condensate disposal , compliance with building regs & energy effiency !
Further to this if the property was subsequently sold the new owners would also consider the person who's name appears on any documentation as the profesional & responsible person should any issues arise !
sounds like rather sensible advice i must admit.
At least i can make the RGI's job very easy - pre cutting holes for the gas pipe, Flue...routing a peice of string or likewise of where i want the gas pipe to run, provide him with good earth leads.....all this will keep the cost down, whilst keeping everything safe and watertight ( hopefully)
on the subject of magnaclean ( or fernox) - where are these normally mounted - i presume they are mounted on the return, to protect the boiler, as opposed to the feed - mount between the 1m of copper pipe from the boiler, and the 22mm hep ?
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to be honest k13wjd the job iv had this week, were iv done all what your gonna do.i would gladly do just the gas and boiler.took me 5 hrs diamond coring through blue alvin.(worst granite).just for a 22mm condense pipe.thats with 800 worth of kit used.
as for the filter. best nearest on the return at the boiler thats were on most combis the pump is situated first.
as for the filter. best nearest on the return at the boiler thats were on most combis the pump is situated first.
i presumed that - the pump "pulls" the water from the return, then pumps it through the HE .
Its always hard to explain how much of a bugger my house is. I need a sbs drill just to hand a ruddy mirror.....digging the garden up last year....i came across a block of concrete that seemed endless...after some digging, and some asking of questions, i learned it was a 2mx2mx1m block of solid concrete...there is 4 of them in the estate, used for the crane that put these things together.....
simple jobs become very very difficult - my mains water pipe comes up through a cast concrete floor. there is 1.5 inches of copper pipe, then the stopcock.
The mains feed is done under the houses, by manifold...replacing MY water feed is likely to cost 10k+........
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