Support for non corgi registered elictrician

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I am an electrician and I am frustrated that no test point measurements are provided by boiler manufacturers to help diagnose problems.

Seems a bit of a cosy arrangement that potterton and the like wont provide electrical support to non corgi registered engineers.

I think most electricians would be quite capable of taking off a boiler cover without interferring with the gas connections.

What say others?
 
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bikeman123 said:
I am an electrician and I am frustrated that no test point measurements are provided by boiler manufacturers to help diagnose problems.

Seems a bit of a cosy arrangement that potterton and the like wont provide electrical support to non corgi registered engineers.

I think most electricians would be quite capable of taking off a boiler cover without interferring with the gas connections.

What say others?
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Most Sparks I know couldn't wire a two way light switch, so when it comes to repairing boilers, just leave it to the RGIs.

I've a mate that's a Spark & he's always phoning me up when he's trying to wire heating systems. He's 30 years at the game & full 17th Editition etc.
 
mmmm I was an electronics engineer for many years so maybe I have an advantage.

Conversely though in my experience a lot of boiler engineers dont understand boiler electrics themselves - preferring to ring potterton tech support, quote their corgi number and start a process of part substitution.
 
bikeman123 said:
mmmm I was an electronics engineer for many years so maybe I have an advantage.

Conversely though in my experience a lot of boiler engineers dont understand boiler electrics themselves - preferring to ring potterton tech support, quote their corgi number and start a process of part substitution.
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Gas Safe number mate................Try to keep up!!!
Yes, I'm sure you know your electronics mate, but that doesn't make you able to repair boilers....................Gas, Water & Electricity are a danger in the hands of the hard of thinking!!!
 
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Prima donna Gas Safe - usual b`lox - leave em alone in the room to fight :mrgreen:
 
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Asking for "test points" makes it sound as if you want an idiots guide to repairing boilers.

If you understand electronics then you should be able to work out from the interconnection diagrams what does what.

Thats really all that you need. Inspection of the components should enable you to work out how each part works. Stepper motors, NTC sensors and Hall effect sensors etc.

Gas work is not just gas in pipes, it also covers the fan, safety devices and gas settings so its reasonable for manufacturers not to encourage you to do work that you are not trained or qualified with.

Tony
 
Agile said:
Asking for "test points" makes it sound as if you want an idiots guide to repairing boilers.

If you understand electronics then you should be able to work out from the interconnection diagrams what does what.

Tony
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If boiler manufacturers made avilable circuit diagrams then I'd be ok. As for test points, I don't see why this warrants your response - if the said diagrams usefully included the resitance values at various temps of the thermisters/thermostats etc it would make diy repairs possible.

As the boiler manufacturer fail to provide this detail or only parovide to gas safe engioneers it seems to be a convenient arrangement which effectively bumps up identifying and replacing a £10 part into a £100 callout if you're lucky and a £300 bill if the guy starts on part substitution - a common practice I am let to believe.

I don't need an idiots guide and I don't need to be attacked when questioning this cozy arrangement between boiler manufacturers and gas safe 'engineers'.
 
Any good rgi knows how to use a multimeter and test from the pcb to repair a boiler, also through experience of differnt models and components we know what voltage/resistance we should get where, only call the manufactures when were stuck as we dont enjoy holding on the phone for ages in a que.
We also know what poor combustion signs are, what co symptoms are, have flue gas analysers to test boilers are safe when we have repaired them, unsafe situations, incorrectly flued appliances, all the hunderds or regulations/standards we have to follow.... Need i go on
Stick to your job or pay, learn and gain experience to repair boilers like the rest of us have!
 
What a tarded question I value all the reponses of the other rgis on here and you go in to the same group as "that's not hard I can do that why do you need to be qualified for that" I spend a shed load of money and time on courses to be able for me to do what I do and if my spark I uses thinks he can do what I do then good luck, ok he can wire a y plan up well done I could do it faster and better than him but I'm not qualified to do so, so I don't question it simple! As said anyone can change a pcb but testing afterwards don't think so! Also you get a call "ok be there at 4" get there get your tester start 6.30 "sorry dont think it's electrical best to call a heating engineer that will be £?!?" just wouldn't work. And why are you under the impression we charge the earth? Good sparks do better than most rgis how greedy can you be!
 
Jordon said:
"that's not hard I can do that why do you need to be qualified for that" I spend a shed load of money and time on courses to be able for me to do what I do and if my spark I uses thinks he can do what I do then good luck, ok he can wire a y plan up well done I could do it faster and better than him but I'm not qualified to do so, so I don't question it simple!!
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mmm so what you're saying is you dont diy because other trades are sacrosant to you so when you need a new battery for your your car you take it to a mechanic, when you need the spare room painted you get in a decorator, when your sink blocks you call in a plumber... maybe you've got more money than most.

I'm not trying to take your work, I'm not charging others to do your job I just want to fix my boiler and so my occupation is irrelevant.

As for being qualified I have 1st had experience of incompetent rgis charging me for part swopping with no fix (probably because being gas safe registered is available to anyone who pays £220 and doesn't actually require any specific qualification or proof of competence) so if I can do it myself that is what I like to do.

There seems to be a very defensive section of contributors to this forum and I think I've just twigged why the domain is diyNOT.com
 
Your saying the the manu's should put in test point so DIY's can then repair their own boiler. How many DIYers can understand electronics. Surely there still wouldnt be very many DIY's/electronics expert/tight wad's who would be able to utilise these points (maybe only you) so in effect you would like the manufactures to incorporate a design that would enable maybe just you to fix your own boiler and save maybe £70 labour
 
I dont understand why a specific test point is expected.

When I fix a boiler I need to be able to measure at any part of the circuit and thats just what I do.

In any case electronic boiler faults are only one aspect of boiler repairs. Then there are hydraulic faults, pump problems, scaling, blockages etc.

Last come gas and combustion faults. Probably less common than the others but still a cause of a few and often some of the more interesting faults.

No boiler maker provides a circuit diagram of their PCBs. Few repairers are able to follow them and they are of little consequence in most cases as all thats needed is to know how they interface with the peripheral devices. We are not allowed to repair the PCBs anyway.

One of the reasons that non gas registered people should not change most PCBs is that many have gas adjustments on them that need to be set when they are installed. That requires the knowledge and test equipment to make the gas and combustion measurements.

Tony
 
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