Provided your mains is up to supplying the flow rate this model is capable of delivering, that's the one to go for
Best combi boiler for under £1000 supply only
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Provided your mains is up to supplying the flow rate this model is capable of delivering, that's the one to go for
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Well... now you ask... did you check your post before Kevplumb's comment?
This is true mate, i left myself open by not checking it. The thing is i do not choose to be dyslexic but i do chose not to be one of those people that take pleasure in pointing out other peoples minor mistakes. Dont get me wrong i think posts should be clear and easy to read so no catastrophic mispelling and TEXT speak but when it is more than readable why make a big song and dance about it.
Thank you for your input. you have got me taking a hard look at the Intergas but im still undecided.
I agree mate, no one cares if your spelling or grammar is not great. There's millions of people have a very fruitful & happy life with poor English. This country is full of the educated poor.
I hope everything goes well with the new boiler and you've made the right choice, Intergas are good boilers.
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JonasX
Well... now you ask... did you check your post before Kevplumb's comment?
But yes I am an installer of many Intergas type boilers - and they are probably the best value long term.
There are more powerful alternatives from other brands, but if that is not an issue then it is a no brainer.
The Intergas gets a good press on here. I did a Google and they are cheap enough @ £850 for the 36 kilowatt. They boast only 4 moving parts so must reliable enough. A Google says they are quality made as well and not just cheap.
Are they sold all over GB and are parts and service available everywhere? Or is it a case if you live near the importer then it is OK, elsewhere it maybe a nightmare?
I know a neighbor who fitted a very large ATAG combi. It is big on the wall but in the garage. Boy it belts out the hot water. I may be in the market for a combi soon as I want the space the cylinder takes up for a larger bathroom. The ATAG alerted me what these new combis can do. I am still open, so this thread is interesting.
Parts are available through Plumbase or direct via a courier.
Local installers who develop a relationship might well stock most of the parts - seeing as there isn't that many it does take up space like most other brands.
The Atag Combis are pretty impressive on paper - i have only fitted the system variants though - been impressed so far.
Local installers who develop a relationship might well stock most of the parts - seeing as there isn't that many it does take up space like most other brands.
The Atag Combis are pretty impressive on paper - i have only fitted the system variants though - been impressed so far.
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The Intergas/Atmos gets a good press here. This is mainly from a vocal minority, as you'll find if you Google the actual sales numbers of ATAGS and Intergas clones in the UK.
I was a great fan of Buderus products from the Netherlands but then there were some safety issues with their products and for a variety of reasons with Worcester Bosch politics and the aforementioned they were completely dropped in the UK.
The Remeha Avanta range was treated as the second coming on this forum a couple of years back; those of us that fitted significant numbers found problems with gas valves and shoddy assembly.
The Intergas and Atmos may be OK. I will point out that Atmos launched a condensing boiler that did not require a condense drain just a few years ago - this was quietly removed frrom sale soon after. What happened to the customers that bought one?
As a committed boiler installer (dont do Kharzis, bathrooms, tiling etc) I stick to relatively conservative, proven products from the main German manufacturers. I've learnt that by being an early adopter, problems can bite you. And by definition, your customers.
The idea of not having a diverter valve and plate heat exchanger is not a new one, only to DIYers and gas newbies. Worcester, ACV, Ferroli and a number of others have all brought out variations on that theme over the last two decades. This is not a new idea, just another incarnation.
I was a great fan of Buderus products from the Netherlands but then there were some safety issues with their products and for a variety of reasons with Worcester Bosch politics and the aforementioned they were completely dropped in the UK.
The Remeha Avanta range was treated as the second coming on this forum a couple of years back; those of us that fitted significant numbers found problems with gas valves and shoddy assembly.
The Intergas and Atmos may be OK. I will point out that Atmos launched a condensing boiler that did not require a condense drain just a few years ago - this was quietly removed frrom sale soon after. What happened to the customers that bought one?
As a committed boiler installer (dont do Kharzis, bathrooms, tiling etc) I stick to relatively conservative, proven products from the main German manufacturers. I've learnt that by being an early adopter, problems can bite you. And by definition, your customers.
The idea of not having a diverter valve and plate heat exchanger is not a new one, only to DIYers and gas newbies. Worcester, ACV, Ferroli and a number of others have all brought out variations on that theme over the last two decades. This is not a new idea, just another incarnation.
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JonasX
Thanks for the reply. You wrote, "stick to relatively conservative, proven products from the main German manufacturers. I've learnt that by being an early adopter, problems can bite you. And by definition, your customers."
I got Googling and this Intergas has been made for around 20 years in Holland and available in GB under the Atmos brand for many years. Under the Intergas brand it seems to be taking off over here. When I was a kid I had never heard of Vaillant, so they must have started small in GB at some time. Problems with early adoption of a proven product can only be parts supply and tech backup? If all Intergas parts are available in all Plumbase shops then parts cannot be much of a problem?
I like the idea that the Intergas combi can be open vented and no high pressure relief pipes run through the outside walls. I know people who have very small leaks with combis and when the pressure drops too low the combi cuts out and they have to get the service man to come to top it up and be without hot water a for few days. I can do without all that. I can have a top up tank in the apex of the house that is no problem. The top up tank option and the 4 moving parts of the Intergas is appealing.
What Worcester, ACV and Ferroli models does not have the potentially troublesome diverter valve and plate heat exchanger? They may be worth looking at to give a complete picture. Reliability is important and less parts usually means that.
I got Googling and this Intergas has been made for around 20 years in Holland and available in GB under the Atmos brand for many years. Under the Intergas brand it seems to be taking off over here. When I was a kid I had never heard of Vaillant, so they must have started small in GB at some time. Problems with early adoption of a proven product can only be parts supply and tech backup? If all Intergas parts are available in all Plumbase shops then parts cannot be much of a problem?
I like the idea that the Intergas combi can be open vented and no high pressure relief pipes run through the outside walls. I know people who have very small leaks with combis and when the pressure drops too low the combi cuts out and they have to get the service man to come to top it up and be without hot water a for few days. I can do without all that. I can have a top up tank in the apex of the house that is no problem. The top up tank option and the 4 moving parts of the Intergas is appealing.
What Worcester, ACV and Ferroli models does not have the potentially troublesome diverter valve and plate heat exchanger? They may be worth looking at to give a complete picture. Reliability is important and less parts usually means that.
To reply to Simon... The drain free system is still supported for existing customers. It's only real flaw was the ability of the pump and tube to handle the Aluminium wash-off from the HE; as it tended to get clogged easily.
It might well be appearing soon with another firm in the future.
It might well be appearing soon with another firm in the future.
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Is that the one that used to spray condense from the flue that result in a law suit from a disgruntled customer that had a lot of money worth of cars stripped of paint by the mildly acidic spray.
I've been to intergas and wouldn't fit one,too many uncertainties,no in house service/breakdown agreement, sales only through plumbbase or other smaller untrustworthy independants, safety concerns over the new flue,issue with hot slug,issue with scale, very budget design and manufacturer.
And then there's the we can't tell you about atoms issue,plus would you trust an MD that used to tell you headline were the best things since sliced bread.
Atag wouldn't fitnone either,got one in my own home, Never until fitting my ATAG have I had a boiler that had to be replaces in full when you first put water to it, failed internal part filled the boiler wit water past the pcb.
Took ages for them to sort it. No service engineers employed by the company,etc
Stick to the big 3, Vaillant,viessman,Worcester, buy be warned you may be no better off wit any of those.
I've been to intergas and wouldn't fit one,too many uncertainties,no in house service/breakdown agreement, sales only through plumbbase or other smaller untrustworthy independants, safety concerns over the new flue,issue with hot slug,issue with scale, very budget design and manufacturer.
And then there's the we can't tell you about atoms issue,plus would you trust an MD that used to tell you headline were the best things since sliced bread.
Atag wouldn't fitnone either,got one in my own home, Never until fitting my ATAG have I had a boiler that had to be replaces in full when you first put water to it, failed internal part filled the boiler wit water past the pcb.
Took ages for them to sort it. No service engineers employed by the company,etc
Stick to the big 3, Vaillant,viessman,Worcester, buy be warned you may be no better off wit any of those.
There is only so much that you can do to mitigate stupidity. If you install a boiler that squirts acidic water over a customer's car then you can hardly blame the manufacturer Agree the slug of hot water might catch you unaware, but then TMV regs should deal with that - you can get the same form the top of any cylinder installation too remember.
It is what comes of a one piece HE. Which is very easy to descale if needed. But then again - under the regs you are supposed to be treating hard water anyway.
What safety concerns are there with the new(?) flue? And what is the "we can't tell you about the atoms issue"?
I have had more issues with Vaillant and Ideal frankly.
Agree the slug of hot water might catch you unaware, but then TMV regs should deal with that - you can get the same form the top of any cylinder installation too remember.It is what comes of a one piece HE. Which is very easy to descale if needed. But then again - under the regs you are supposed to be treating hard water anyway.
What safety concerns are there with the new(?) flue? And what is the "we can't tell you about the atoms issue"?
I have had more issues with Vaillant and Ideal frankly.
Im more confused now than ever. Bo11cks to it.... I was looking at a worcester greenstar 37cdi today for around £1200 all in and about £1400 with flue clock and room stat. I think im going to go for that.
There are far worse out there - just make sure the system is thoroughly flushed and that the installer in accredited. Depending on how many of their boilers he fits the cheaper the 5 year optional warranty is.
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TMV reg or part g of the building regs will only protect the bath,what about kitchen sink/basin etc.
Hot slug is a issue with all one piece heat exchangers and is a design issue.
Obviously the atmos thIng....I can't tell you because we weren't told either just that there is issues between the two neither of whom actually manufacture the boiler just buy it from a factory and brand it.
Hot slug is a issue with all one piece heat exchangers and is a design issue.
Obviously the atmos thIng....I can't tell you because we weren't told either just that there is issues between the two neither of whom actually manufacture the boiler just buy it from a factory and brand it.
LCGS... Interesting comments - do you want to head over to the CC and discuss?
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