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How? By those magnets? One of those little boxes with a wire wrapped around the pipe?
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How? By those magnets? One of those little boxes with a wire wrapped around the pipe?
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Well they don't treat the water - the only way really is a polyphosphate or ion exchange setup.
Both have advantages and disadvantages. Both need topping up periodically.
Both have advantages and disadvantages. Both need topping up periodically.
True, but accredited installers are able to address warranty issues
Rubbish. City Plumbing can also supply (and are cheaper than Plumbase), Grahams now stock them, and who says independents are untrustworthy? There are some very good ones out there.
I assume you are referring to the Rhino flue terminal that caused some boilers to shut down if faced into the prevailing wind due to the POC getting into the air intake? This has now been withdrawn and will be replaced under warranty on existing installations if desired.
No such issue exists provided the installation is done correctly
News to me, why is scale more of an issue with an Intergas than with a traditional plate hex, which generally has narrower waterways?
How so? As far as I can see everything has been very well designed, yes it's cheap in that there are very few parts, but that is certainly no bad thing.
Indeed, Vaillant's customer service for example is well known to be shocking, whereas with Intergas there's almost always someone at the end of the phone and emails are responded to very quickly too
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Ive never had an issue getting through to Vaillant, nor Vaillant trained group service engineers(must be lucky).
Work out why scales an issue in a one piece heat ex,it's always been an issue not just with the intergas but all other people that tried it.
Nice read hot water just sat there in a narrow tube.
Anyway, how come their hot water performance figures are dire, when we asked Vince he said they can do more than what we put but don't advertise it......great sales technique considering we're trying to sell things based on printed flow rates etc.
So cheap and cheerfully, crap wilo pump, nasty gas valve, very poorly put together, the only credit is the heat exchanger design and build quality but then we go back to scale and the hot slug.
It's just an opinion but I think they're garbage.
Work out why scales an issue in a one piece heat ex,it's always been an issue not just with the intergas but all other people that tried it.
Nice read hot water just sat there in a narrow tube.
Anyway, how come their hot water performance figures are dire, when we asked Vince he said they can do more than what we put but don't advertise it......great sales technique considering we're trying to sell things based on printed flow rates etc.
So cheap and cheerfully, crap wilo pump, nasty gas valve, very poorly put together, the only credit is the heat exchanger design and build quality but then we go back to scale and the hot slug.
It's just an opinion but I think they're garbage.
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Only one dissenter against Intergas then. I read that Intergas is a quality, well designed, few component product, yet one poster here says that is not so.
13 l/min @35 delta from 32kW HE32 (Atmos - Same basic principle to Intergas)
12.7 l/min @35 delta from 31kW (Ecotec plus 831)
12.7 l/min @35 delta from 31kW (Ecotec plus 831)
Right, i have just found this thread.
Intergas is a very good boiler. I install nothing else now and have one in my own home. the hot water slug is is not an issue at all with my boiler or my customers boilers.
I don't want put down other makes of boilers but Intergas has never had the scale of problems that the valliant (dodgy seals and bursting hoses to name a few) valliant are a complete nightmare to deal with.
Not in to fad boilers. I pick intergas on it merits. seen atmos boilers and like them very much. seen intergas boilers and took the plunge. got a set of spares to make sure as well.
Never installed remeha, atag, keston or budurs.
I don't pick boilers on brand and that is why I don't install valliant or WB. I pick them on technical merit, reliability and customer service.
Intergas is a very good boiler. I install nothing else now and have one in my own home. the hot water slug is is not an issue at all with my boiler or my customers boilers.
I don't want put down other makes of boilers but Intergas has never had the scale of problems that the valliant (dodgy seals and bursting hoses to name a few) valliant are a complete nightmare to deal with.
Not in to fad boilers. I pick intergas on it merits. seen atmos boilers and like them very much. seen intergas boilers and took the plunge. got a set of spares to make sure as well.
Never installed remeha, atag, keston or budurs.
I don't pick boilers on brand and that is why I don't install valliant or WB. I pick them on technical merit, reliability and customer service.
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13 l/min @35 delta from 32kW HE32 (Atmos - Same basic principle to Intergas)
12.7 l/min @35 delta from 31kW (Ecotec plus 831)
Maybe you should quote intergas's figures next time
Intergas HRE 36-30 13l/min @35Dt......36kw
Vaillant 837 15.2l/min @35DT......37kw
Intergas figure is dire, only just better than a 831 as you've rightly shown.
Horses fir corsas at the end of the day...fit obscure small unsupported products, suffer when they fail....I did.
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To me your reservations are spare parts backup. Others say this is not a problem as a national outlet stocks the parts. Your issues of hot slugs of water have been dismissed by many on this thread who fit and service them. Multi-point water heaters are all one-piece heat exchangers and the latest types don't suffer that. Millions of multi-points have been made. You say "nasty gas valve", when the Intergas bumph states it is a quality make. Why should they work any less on an Intergas? Wilo Pump? I have had one for 10 years and it works perfectly. Scale is a problem with any boiler?
You say you have never fitted an Intergas and I assess never serviced one either. How can you conclude like you do? Are you a dealer for other makes? I am just confused at why you hold your views when all others say the opposite.
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13 l/min @35 delta from 32kW HE32 (Atmos - Same basic principle to Intergas)
12.7 l/min @35 delta from 31kW (Ecotec plus 831)
Maybe you should quote intergas's figures next time
Intergas HRE 36-30 13l/min @35Dt......36kw
Vaillant 837 15.2l/min @35DT......37kw
Intergas figure is dire, only just better than a 831 as you've rightly shown.
Horses fir corsas at the end of the day...fit obscure small unsupported products, suffer when they fail....I did.
Is the Intergas and Atmos the same combi boiler? If so, why the differing figures? Are they set differently?
Atmos sell their own variant which is an older design as well as Intergas' variant.
But again for comparison:
13 l/min @ 35 delta from 32.7kW HRE36/30 (Intergas Variant)
13 l/min @35 delta from 32kW HE32 (Atmos Variant)
12.7 l/min @35 delta from 31kW (Ecotec plus 831)
These figures are taken from the installation manuals of each boiler.
Jonas - the heat exchangers of the HRE are slightly different to that of the Atmos HE version. There are some other differences too, but wouldn't affect the performance - which is the point of debate here.
But again for comparison:
13 l/min @ 35 delta from 32.7kW HRE36/30 (Intergas Variant)
13 l/min @35 delta from 32kW HE32 (Atmos Variant)
12.7 l/min @35 delta from 31kW (Ecotec plus 831)
These figures are taken from the installation manuals of each boiler.
Jonas - the heat exchangers of the HRE are slightly different to that of the Atmos HE version. There are some other differences too, but wouldn't affect the performance - which is the point of debate here.
Hey man - Baxi have a boiler call "Gold"
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