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ban-all-sheds · 10 Oct 2011

westie101 said:
No, I'm trying to show that a pedantic repetition of it must comply with a non statutory set of guidelines is not fitting of any person that calls themselves a member of any profession! (i realise you BAS are not an electrician/electrical engineer).

It must comply with a statutory requirement to be safe.

By far and away the easiest way to ensure that is to use the "non statutory set of guidelines".

Sorry guys if you cannot think for yourselves to find safe means of achieving tasks without recourse to a book - what are you being paid for!

I'm suggesting that the OP do the job properly, (which for him will require recourse to books). Do you have a problem with that?

RMS · 10 Oct 2011

westie101 said:
Oh the big risk assessment!

Your the one who started talking about risks, hazards and control measures.

westie101 said:
Some folk who are trained to do risk assessments do not have the technical knowledge to do those assessments. Which means that the op can do this!!

Thats why should should include the workforce, the people at the front line. These are the things that make a good risk assessment.

westie101 said:
Oh and there is no legal need to be formally trained to do risk assessments!

I would love to see you argue the above through the criminal justice system if things went t**ts! where you work.

The reason people try to comply with non statutory regulations (in this case BS7671) is because complying with these regulations generally means you've done enough to comply with the Electricity at Work regulations (statutory).

ban-all-sheds · 10 Oct 2011

skybluescooby said:
which is why i didnt want to get into a Part P discussion.

What part of

Reasonable provision shall be made in the design and installation of electrical installations in order to protect persons operating, maintaining or altering the installations from fire or injury

do you disagree with?

What difference is there in running an extension lead to a lawnmower than running a cable from an indoor power supply under a garden slab and to a water feature which will then be removed if i ever sold up.

The difference is that an extension lead is not left out in all weathers, it is not subject to damage by movement of ground and/or slab, it is not fixed to something which might move or blow over and damage it, it is not tucked away where it's hard to see and might get jabbed by a fork.

It is regularly inspected for signs of any damage. (Or at least it is if used by someone with common sense).

It is a bright orange or yellow colour so that it's easy to spot. (Ditto)

As for the outdoors i had considered armoured cable, is this still a good way to connect directly to the inside socket

Probably not - it's tricky to gland to a buried back box.

You could put a socket on the outside where the cable exits the house, and gland the SWA to that - like the way this switch has been done (put the socket as low down as you can to minimise the run of visible cable).

westie101 · 10 Oct 2011

I would love to see you argue the above through the criminal justice system if things went t**ts! where you work.

The main source of the need to risk assess is in The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations. Part of the Health and Safety at Work Act as are The Electricity at Work Regulations.

So show me where it talks about the need to be formally trained to do a Risk Assessment?

Oh BTW note the common theme above, the word WORK! Non of these apply to a private person in their own home!

RMS · 10 Oct 2011

westie101 said:
The main source of the need to risk assess is in The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations. Part of the Health and Safety at Work Act as are The Electricity at Work Regulations.

Yes I know.

westie101 said:
So show me where it talks about the need to be formally trained to do a Risk Assessment?

Read the post again. I never said needed or back this up with legislation. What I did say is that people who carry out risk assessments are normally trained and qualified to do so.

The risk assessment needs to be suitable and sufficient. You wouldn't have a painter implement a risk assessment for working with electrics would you?

westie101 said:
Oh BTW note the common theme above, the word WORK! Non of these apply to a private person in their own home!

Totally agree, but as a professional I am consistent with my approach to safety and compliance with legislation and guidance. After all the people that create it a far cleverer than me.

bernardgreen · 10 Oct 2011

skybluescooby said:
As for the outdoors i had considered armoured cable, is this still a good way to connect directly to the inside socket

If you had said that at the beginning and not implied the use of pond cable for the entire run then the response would have been different.

skybluescooby · 10 Oct 2011

theres a lot of things i could have said at the beginning but feared it would be a long post and just get skimmed over.

So if i run up a double socket with armoured cable, how would i go connecting a pond pump to this socket, ie would it need to be buried etc etc as the water feature would probably be about 3mtrs from the newly installed socket

on another note, i was hoping for a qualified electrician to do this work for me but of the 9 i have rang over the last week or so ZERO have bothered returning my calls / texts.

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