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Hi,

Have got a Potterton RS40 boiler used in the layout below as a fully pumped two valve system.

Was looking to have it moved into the loft to provide more space in the kitchen where its currently located.

The first question - can an old style boiler be moved the 8ft or would that be classed as a new installation and need a new efficient style boiler?
( I originally installed it, all the fixings are free to remove, it was commissioned by corgi eng)

The second point, if the pump , currenty in the flow out from the boiler, is left in the same position would there be any problems from over pumping into the expansion tank with the boiler being in the new position?

The minimum static head for the boiler is specified 3ft, the new location will give it 5ft.

Thanks

 
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Why would anyone want to move an old heavy and inefficient boiler anywhere, particularly into a loft?
 
Why would anyone want to move an old heavy and inefficient boiler anywhere, particularly into a loft?

Because it works, and keeps working !!

Inefficient ? - well the thats a matter of opinion - what counts is what it really costs, not just the gas used but the cost of boiler replacements and repairs - on balance its still way, way cheaper.

Confirmed by seeing the number of visits neighbours have to repair and manitain their new 'efficient ' boilers
 
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I agree that it may be cheaper to run than a modern unit.

However, its not using the dwindling stocks of gas effectively and creating more greenhouse gas than is needed to for the heat created.

The planet is probably more important than your wallet!
 
huddo9 said:
Because it works, and keeps working !!

I'll probably get slagged off for saying this but that's a perfectly good argument. You have to weigh up the cost of a new boiler against the potential savings on your gas bill then. when you work out how many years it'll be before you get your money back, you might just find that it's not worth it. :( :( :(

The extra cost of spare parts is difficult to quantify unless you spend a lot of time fixing the things so I'll keep out of that one, except to say that our balanced flue Potterton has never broken down once since 1996. :D :D :D So, unless the heat exchanger springs a leak, I think it'll see me out. (It's a standard joke in our house that if I ever buy a new boiler it'll run on deuterium. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: )

Having said all that, as Agile says, why would you want to move your boiler into a loft? :?: :?: :?: Unless the loft is a habitable room - and your sketch suggests otherwise - you'll be throwing quite a lot of heat away. :eek: :eek: :eek: One of the things that prompted us to replace our even older Potterton was the fact that it was in an outhouse.
 
Well with evidence like that what more can be said.

You have obviously far more experience and knowledge than the pro's amongst us. :rolleyes:

Well if you, as a Pro, could give me any figures to refute that statement I would welcome it.

The RS40 is rated a 65% efficiency v the latest boilers of around 91%..
That 25% difference in gas used works out around £75 per year for our modest home.

So ignoring any repairs into the eequasion a typical price for a boiler replacement is around £2k+ which means 25+ years to break even.
Or if you want to use the experts like BG who quote £4500 then thats 60 years !

So please, where is the sense in that ??
 
You ignore the fact that gas has increased in cost by 100% over the last couple of years and will continue to rise.

Nor have you told us what boilers you neighbours have.

And you assume your boiler is going to run as efficiently as it did the day it left the factory and has been set up to run as stated.

Over to you.
 
Having said all that, as Agile says, why would you want to move your boiler into a loft? :?: :?: :?: Unless the loft is a habitable room - and your sketch suggests otherwise - you'll be throwing quite a lot of heat away. :eek: :eek: :eek: One of the things that prompted us to replace our even older Potterton was the fact that it was in an outhouse.

Wanting to fit a new kitchen, but the boiler is so in the wrong position and there is no other external wall it can be hung on.

Many folk in similar bungalows have already moved theirs in to unoccupied loft space to give more room in the kitchens.

Good to hear thre are more old Pottertons still going alone fine.

Cannot beat your record of 15 years without a fault, I've had to replace three thermocouples, mind, thats over 30 years.
 
You ignore the fact that gas has increased in cost by 100% over the last couple of years and will continue to rise.

Nor have you told us what boilers you neighbours have.

And you assume your boiler is going to run as efficiently as it did the day it left the factory and has been set up to run as stated.

Over to you.

Well gas price increases and loss of boiler efficiency are going to apply to all types new or old.

Even doubling the inefficiency of my old one that still only £150 per year.

I won't labour the point further, could spend all night playing with the figures...
 
Not when he's forked out for repairs on the nice new super efficient steamer!
 
I've always felt that the loft is just not a wise place for a boiler.
If you are in and out of the loft on a regular basis, fair enough.

But for many who aren't, I cannot think of a worse place for a leak to develop, unchecked, and the first you know of it is a damp patch on the ceiling, or a nice slow leak that rots some joists, or a big leak and the ceiling comes down.

Not a good risk/reward ratio IMHO for sake of saving space in the kitchen.
 
Wanting to fit a new kitchen, but the boiler is so in the wrong position and there is no other external wall it can be hung on.

I wonder how much your new kitchen is going to cost?

Whilst it may not have any repair costs it will not save any energy either!

Another aspect which may not be relevant. Few RGIs would be very happy moving such an old boiler into a loft.

Many would think that its contrary to the building regs.

Tony
 

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