gas pipe connector for cooker

Er, chaps, (disregarding the rights and wrongs of the regs, and the wisdom of educating the public in gas installtion) this reg. DOES NOT apply to second hand or preused cookers or hobs.

Daft but true. (Unles there hs been a change recently)
 
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expertgasman said:
Er, chaps, (disregarding the rights and wrongs of the regs, and the wisdom of educating the public in gas installtion) this reg. DOES NOT apply to second hand or preused cookers or hobs.

Daft but true. (Unles there hs been a change recently)
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you are 100% correct, i was reading all the posts and expected one of us to inform the guy of this so well done to you,
the exception to your statement is that you cannot fit a second hand cooker with no FSD into a property which already has acooker WITH FSD as this makes the property less safe than it was before, the reality of this situation would simply be for the fitter to ignore the previous cooker, and simply say there was no cooker there when i got there, i appreciate why the rule was brought in, and TBH wish the reg was tougher and that ALL gas cookers and hobs installed after XXXXX MUST have FSD's but they bottled out of that and watered doen the reg leaving us with a stupid reg, that bans brand new but allows second hand, which by defination cant be as safe, but as with everything common sense is out the window, this guy knows the cooker has had if for a few years and is capable of using it and as it is previously used it is acceptable to fit it, (with the caveat that it would be "better" if it had FSD's and to advise him he must have FSD's on his next new cooker,
so the OP get a qualified, experienced, knowledgible gas engineer to fit your existing cooker in your new flat, simples.com
 
I was joking about the Boss White by the way, but getting back to the main subject I agree with Nathan, these regulations practically lead to people like myself whom have no money for a cooker, and have a perfectly good one sat here doing nowt , thinking of putting it in themselves, I mean to be told you cant have a cooker in your flat which was ok in another one due to a regulation being took to the extreme is a bit rich, ok why not fit it for me and say , your an adult, be aware it isnt the perfect scenario, rather than practically forcing someone to be underhand?.
 
Wayne6345789 said:
I was joking about the Boss White by the way, but getting back to the main subject I agree with Nathan, these regulations practically lead to people like myself whom have no money for a cooker, and have a perfectly good one sat here doing nowt , thinking of putting it in themselves, I mean to be told you cant have a cooker in your flat which was ok in another one due to a regulation being took to the extreme is a bit rich, ok why not fit it for me and say , your an adult, be aware it isnt the perfect scenario, rather than practically forcing someone to be underhand?.
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So the council worker was fobbing me off its 100 per cent ok for a gas safe engineer to install my used cooker into my flat for me???, why did he tell me otherwise?, he said id lose my job if I installed the cooker without FSDs on it , im more confused than ever now??
 
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are people 100 per cent sure that the 2008 regulation only applies to brand new cookers not second hand ill get a gas guy around tomorrow to fit the bits to the pipe for me?.
 
I have read back through the regulations and it says I think??, basically your ok with a cooker if its in situ when the regs came in you would get a friendly pointer that your cooker isnt up to current specs, but I cant see me moving my cooker from one flat to another then finding out that the legislation exists will get me across the finish line?, unless im wrong, I only found out about this when I moved into my new place?
 
expertgasman said:
Er, chaps, (disregarding the rights and wrongs of the regs, and the wisdom of educating the public in gas installtion) this reg. DOES NOT apply to second hand or preused cookers or hobs.

Daft but true. (Unles there hs been a change recently)
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so your saying me moving my second hand cooker into my flat shouldnt make a jot of difference, why did the council chap say, no way can i fit that in here please? it hasnt got FSDs on it I aint allowed , it was and still is an old cooker?, and I aint got access to a new one?, please advise if you could and where please did you get your information, please remember I live in a flat - thanks in advance
 
Kirk above, trains gas people and is telling us what the regulation actually says which is not quite as safe and secure as one would expect gas safety regulations to be.

It does not surprise me that the gas fitter was putting a "common sense" interpretation into what he was prepared to do, or rather not do.

If it was me then I would fit the gas socket but leave it for the tenant to connect his non compliant cooker!

Tony
 
Im afraid the gas fitter is correct that the latest reg's say a cooker that doesnt have a flame failure device (thermocouple) on each burner must NOT be installed in a multi occupied dwelling sorry but the cooker has to go!
 
so your saying me moving my second hand cooker into my flat shouldnt make a jot of difference, why did the council chap say, no way can i fit that in here please? it hasnt got FSDs on it I aint allowed , it was and still is an old cooker?, and I aint got access to a new one?,
please advise if you could and where please did you get your information, please remember I live in a flat - thanks in advance[/quote]

Yes. You CAN fit a preused ckr in your situation, as ridiculous as it seems. I really can not be be bothered to download and copy the reg verbatim, bit read Kirks post. He is a gas assessor and knows his stuff.

The council worker probably just didn't want to do a homer, and it would have been potentially hazardous to his job, as he is probably not allowed to do private jobs. His gas safe registration also is probably only as an operative, so it would have been an offence to do gas work in his own right.

The reg is there for a VERY good reason, and I agree with Kirk, that this loophole shouldn't be there.
 
captaincaveman1 said:
Im afraid the gas fitter is correct that the latest reg's say a cooker that doesnt have a flame failure device (thermocouple) on each burner must NOT be installed in a multi occupied dwelling sorry but the cooker has to go!
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When was it changed?
 
captaincaveman1 said:
Im afraid the gas fitter is correct that the latest reg's say a cooker that doesnt have a flame failure device (thermocouple) on each burner must NOT be installed in a multi occupied dwelling sorry but the cooker has to go!
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i appreciate we all do our best to give good advice, its just in this case the statement you have so forcefully made that the cooker needs to go is not correct, if i could respectully direct you to TB 015 (P2-3),you should see what i mean

this TB is SPECIFICALLY designed for NEW appliances, second hand and previously used (by definition not the same thing in law) are EXCLUDED from the requirement to have FSD's

c'mon guys, we greet like Christmas cards about all the training we MUST get that we dont need, and unfortunately we let ourselves down as a trade by continually misquoting the regs that guide us, no wnder the public gets confused,

to the OP, get a good gas engineer in who knows what they are doing and knows the regs and get your cooker fitted
once its fitted and working safely we can debate the comments about "what the reg means, or should say" but the bottom line is IF the reg is complied with, the customer is happy the gas man gets paid, nobody will die, its a win-win situation, i dont know why the council guy said what he did, i wasnt there, get someone in who can do the job
 
I would be happy to fit the bayonet socket.

But I would not be very happy to fit the tenant's used gas cooker.

So I would let HIM fit it for himself and then I would do a tightness ( gas leak ) test.

Obviously I can choose what I do or dont do. In this case if I did fit his used appliance then I would be taking on a responsibility for it beyond what he is likely to want to pay for.

If we fit a used appliance, then we become legally responsible for its safe operation and thats not something to be taken lightly.
 
He is a tenant the council is in effect his landlord and the fitter that advised he couldnt install it is the landlords representitive so the fitter was right to refuse
 
He was right to refuse but not for the reason that he gave!

If he was a direct council employee then because he was not registered to work directly for tenants.

If he was a contractor then because the tenant had not engaged the contractor to do the work.
 
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