Laying 20mm engineered oak flooring onto a chipboard base. Wondering what ready-mixed adhesive to buy. One that has come up on the radar is Taylor Timberland MS+. Quite expensive (although prices charged vary wildly!) - is it very good? Any other suggestions?
Which flexible adhesive
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I tried Googling "Taylor Timberland MS" and only got Timberland clothes or Mississippi for some reason. Not widely available then!
I tend to use Bona R850 or Sika T54 and both are available all over the country I am sure and would stick 20mm engineered no problem.
Would be better with Plywood rather than chipboard though.
TT
I tend to use Bona R850 or Sika T54 and both are available all over the country I am sure and would stick 20mm engineered no problem.
Would be better with Plywood rather than chipboard though.
TT
It's Timberline, not Timberland, sorry!
The chipboard's already down. I've heard mention of the notion of sealing it before the adhesive to improve coverage. I do have some Ronseal Diamond Hard varnish left over from doing the hall, which might be the ticket for that?
The chipboard's already down. I've heard mention of the notion of sealing it before the adhesive to improve coverage. I do have some Ronseal Diamond Hard varnish left over from doing the hall, which might be the ticket for that?
Would definitely not use a lacquer to prime the boards. One of the main selling features of Silaine adhesives like R850 or anything with MS as a name is they peel off the surface of a pre-finish.
There are specific primers out there for these products which if you are using chipboard would be beneficial.
http://www.bona.com/en/Professional/BonaSystem/Fastening/Primers/D501/
but in many cases they are not necessary as the product in effect self primes.
There are specific primers out there for these products which if you are using chipboard would be beneficial.
http://www.bona.com/en/Professional/BonaSystem/Fastening/Primers/D501/
but in many cases they are not necessary as the product in effect self primes.
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Your chipboard, does that have a moist repellent surface? If so, you'll have a hard time glueing things down.
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You may be better putting down a plywood overlay.
Apparently my builder is intending to put down a coat of PVA - would a lacquer be better?
Looking at the spec for this adhesive, they recommend using a pretty heavy roller on it afterwards. Is this generally done and good practice? I'd have thought most floor layers would find that a bit of a faff!
Following on from this, the guys laying the floor worked their way through 5 18kg tubs of the Taylor's adhesive! So over £350 on glue alone...
However, I'm not at all happy with the result and thought I should post a warning here to those who think there is such a thing as a good Internet deal on flooring! I should have gone with the slightly more expensive stuff from my local floor shop (which my mother has in her place) as it really is high quality with an even sheen of oil (they call it "eco oil"). Mine (from SEO specialists, UK flooring direct), however, was pretty blotchy where the grain was heavier than elsewhere. Also very knotty compared to samples. When I called them, they said "well, it's a natural product" and "if you read the maintenance advice, we do recommend the use of maintenance paste - eg. WOCA" and "in the instructions, it says to discard unsuitable planks". Seems to me that the natural product argument is being used to abandon quality control. Also, applying WOCA is no easy task over such a large (50sqm) area (I should have got some flooring specialists to apply it) and isn't a complete solution anyway. So I can whole-heartedly recommend spending the extra £15/sqm to get quality flooring from the Floor Shop (although I'm sure others can also do it - I think a local supplier is worth paying extra for, as the hidden costs of Internet-sourced rubbish is MUCH higher).
So if anyone can recommend a "floor doctor" to come and do something about this still blotchy floor, I'd welcome suggestions.
However, I'm not at all happy with the result and thought I should post a warning here to those who think there is such a thing as a good Internet deal on flooring! I should have gone with the slightly more expensive stuff from my local floor shop (which my mother has in her place) as it really is high quality with an even sheen of oil (they call it "eco oil"). Mine (from SEO specialists, UK flooring direct), however, was pretty blotchy where the grain was heavier than elsewhere. Also very knotty compared to samples. When I called them, they said "well, it's a natural product" and "if you read the maintenance advice, we do recommend the use of maintenance paste - eg. WOCA" and "in the instructions, it says to discard unsuitable planks". Seems to me that the natural product argument is being used to abandon quality control. Also, applying WOCA is no easy task over such a large (50sqm) area (I should have got some flooring specialists to apply it) and isn't a complete solution anyway. So I can whole-heartedly recommend spending the extra £15/sqm to get quality flooring from the Floor Shop (although I'm sure others can also do it - I think a local supplier is worth paying extra for, as the hidden costs of Internet-sourced rubbish is MUCH higher).
So if anyone can recommend a "floor doctor" to come and do something about this still blotchy floor, I'd welcome suggestions.
Sorry to hear of your experience with online retailers.
Being in the wood flooring trade I know I can cut the costs of flooring right down but there comes a point where i don't see value in a cheep floor so would not recommend it to a customer.
Your now left in the position where the retailer will blame the fitter and the fitter will blame the flooring. Where in reality it could be both their faults. I always advise to buy the flooring from the person who fits it.
Post some pictures up on here so we can help you try and sort this problem out for you.
Being in the wood flooring trade I know I can cut the costs of flooring right down but there comes a point where i don't see value in a cheep floor so would not recommend it to a customer.
Your now left in the position where the retailer will blame the fitter and the fitter will blame the flooring. Where in reality it could be both their faults. I always advise to buy the flooring from the person who fits it.
Post some pictures up on here so we can help you try and sort this problem out for you.
Will do (and thanks for the sympathy!). To be fair, the suppliers aren't exactly blaming the fitters (with the possible comment that the fitters might have discarded more of the planks) - they're just saying that it's supposed to be like that! I think they genuinely believe it to be a good product (and I just think they've not seen the truly good stuff!)
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