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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1-1894857,00.html
Third world here we come .... on a handcart??
Third world here we come .... on a handcart??
More British cities consider congestion charging
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congestion charges dont work. what really needs to be done is stop whats causing the traffic problem. mostly traffic lights upon traffic lights etc. change the timings so more people can get thru. get rid of chicanes in roads. have all bus stops off road, unless traffic both directions can easily pass, and it must be enough for a car and HGV to pass.
get rid of speed ramps. they remove traffic from some places... and where do it go? to another road, increasing traffic, and the amount of time it takes.
should put me in charge of road transport.
get rid of speed ramps. they remove traffic from some places... and where do it go? to another road, increasing traffic, and the amount of time it takes.
should put me in charge of road transport.
So the three cities are Bristol, Birmingham and Manchester
Bristol: remove the hills. I have noticed that Bristol's Bristols cause congestion as people pull out in front of each other, lose momentum, slows it all down.
Birmingham: the worst congestion in Birmingham is not the traffic IN Birmingham, it's the traffic on the motorways AROUND Birmingham! Once you are into the city it's actually relatively quiet.
Manchester: empty the local toerags out of the prisons, they'll reduce the number of cars on the road through a programme of twoccing and torching. No cars, no congestion.
But what about the others in the article: Cambridgeshire? Has anyone tried to drive through Cambridge recently? As recently as 2004 I could drive into Cambridge on a Sunday and park on one of the many back roads along with everyone else and enjoy it. Tried that a few weeks ago and found that my usual route was now closed to everything but buses and taxis, but did they have signs showing how to get round? No. And the parking was mental, now everyone parks on Monday-Saturday yellow lines on the main roads!
Bristol: remove the hills. I have noticed that Bristol's Bristols cause congestion as people pull out in front of each other, lose momentum, slows it all down.
Birmingham: the worst congestion in Birmingham is not the traffic IN Birmingham, it's the traffic on the motorways AROUND Birmingham! Once you are into the city it's actually relatively quiet.
Manchester: empty the local toerags out of the prisons, they'll reduce the number of cars on the road through a programme of twoccing and torching. No cars, no congestion.
But what about the others in the article: Cambridgeshire? Has anyone tried to drive through Cambridge recently? As recently as 2004 I could drive into Cambridge on a Sunday and park on one of the many back roads along with everyone else and enjoy it. Tried that a few weeks ago and found that my usual route was now closed to everything but buses and taxis, but did they have signs showing how to get round? No. And the parking was mental, now everyone parks on Monday-Saturday yellow lines on the main roads!
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tyne and wear is also on the list. fair enough, there are traffic problems. but its gettin worse, inline with all the (un-necessary) roadworks, speed ramps/chicanes bein added, traffi light after traffic lights. and best one is they spent £660,000 on a busy roundabout. and whats happened to the traffic? 1 direction its just as bad (10-15 mins), the other side the traffic has DOUBLED to over 1 mile in length at peak times. other 2 sides are just as bad. and what makes it worse is most traffic from 1 direction turns right. but the lights are set so you get stuck at the 3rd light, and as that goes to green the previous light goes to red. so unless you go thru a red light, you get about 10 cars thru at a time (often, its 3). and this is helping?
another main road, with lots of traffic (but it still goes at 30) is now gettin speed ramps and chicanes. this is just gonna hold up traffic even more. there is another junction with fairly wide roads. mostly because its a bus route. they have made the roads to it narrower and often the bus hits the kerb! and they also have cones along the new path to warn traffic that the road is dangerous now.
all they government do is spend the money on makin the place worse, instead of better. there is another road where they have put stupid islands in the middle of the road. its also a bus lane. the bus has about 5CM each side of the tires because of it, so he has to go slow. they also mean that there is less on-road parkin, since you cant easily overtake a parked car if there is an island there. but whats gonna happen?
traffic problems will get worse. then theyll decide to chargew to use the roads.
A1 at gateshead - fairly busy, not helped by people constantly changing lanes and slowing everyone down. solution: absolutly no crossin between the outside and inside lanes. have it as what its name is - BYPASS (at least for 1 lane it will be) its been done before and it did work
another main road, with lots of traffic (but it still goes at 30) is now gettin speed ramps and chicanes. this is just gonna hold up traffic even more. there is another junction with fairly wide roads. mostly because its a bus route. they have made the roads to it narrower and often the bus hits the kerb! and they also have cones along the new path to warn traffic that the road is dangerous now.
all they government do is spend the money on makin the place worse, instead of better. there is another road where they have put stupid islands in the middle of the road. its also a bus lane. the bus has about 5CM each side of the tires because of it, so he has to go slow. they also mean that there is less on-road parkin, since you cant easily overtake a parked car if there is an island there. but whats gonna happen?
traffic problems will get worse. then theyll decide to chargew to use the roads.
A1 at gateshead - fairly busy, not helped by people constantly changing lanes and slowing everyone down. solution: absolutly no crossin between the outside and inside lanes. have it as what its name is - BYPASS (at least for 1 lane it will be) its been done before and it did work
Yes, the lane changing is a funny one. I don't know how it used to be before TV programmes started demonstrating how futile it is (I've seen it two or three times now), but there don't seem to be that many people doing it on the M25 now. Of course, you still get the clots who join the motorway and fight to get into the outside lane (as if that will be moving quicker!)
Funny you mention the narrow roads plus buses: after congestion charging came in I took the bus from King's Cross station and was amused to find someone had replaced the double-decker buses with 60-foot long single-decker bendy-buses. Within two minutes the driver was having to raise the air suspension, reverse, and bump the kerb in order to make a turn he probably did 5 or 6 times a day. Apparently this happens all over the bendy-bus routes. You would think that when tendering the contract they would have had a demo-run before signing the paperwork! Obviously someone just fancied buying some bendy-buses
Funny you mention the narrow roads plus buses: after congestion charging came in I took the bus from King's Cross station and was amused to find someone had replaced the double-decker buses with 60-foot long single-decker bendy-buses. Within two minutes the driver was having to raise the air suspension, reverse, and bump the kerb in order to make a turn he probably did 5 or 6 times a day. Apparently this happens all over the bendy-bus routes. You would think that when tendering the contract they would have had a demo-run before signing the paperwork! Obviously someone just fancied buying some bendy-buses
bendy busses should be banned. there too long. they try and get further ahead and then they end up blockin junctions due to their length. but then people these days are too lazy to go upstairs on a double decker bus, which can hold more than the articulated busses. happens all the time up here. especially when they turn right from a junction. normal length bus would have got accross and out the way
what the driver was probably told:
boss: you have a new artuculated bus to replace your double decker bus
driver: but they cant go on that route, theyll not get round the corners
boss [after pause] well youll just have to get round somehow
driver: and hit loads of kerbs and block roads
boss: ah well, itll make the congestion even more and people will tke the bus
boss: you have a new artuculated bus to replace your double decker bus
driver: but they cant go on that route, theyll not get round the corners
boss [after pause] well youll just have to get round somehow
driver: and hit loads of kerbs and block roads
boss: ah well, itll make the congestion even more and people will tke the bus
Your right Andy,
Im from the north east and work as a field engineer.
Cant believe how much of my time is spent in traffic jams... and u forgot to mention the worst one... THE TYNE TUNNEL !! Nightmare at peak times!
Mind u, when they do get there arses into gear and build the 2nd one it might make things quicker.
Cheers
Geordie
Im from the north east and work as a field engineer.
Cant believe how much of my time is spent in traffic jams... and u forgot to mention the worst one... THE TYNE TUNNEL !! Nightmare at peak times!
Mind u, when they do get there arses into gear and build the 2nd one it might make things quicker.
Cheers
Geordie
geordie_e said:
1 way to sort out the tyn tunnel. charge double goin north, and have all tolls open for northbound. traffic will get thru quicker and less traffic northbound. dont charge south (since most people will go back again, and have already paid) and there will be no traffic for payin. traffic reduced. its been done before and worked.
i didnt mention tyne tunnel before because i had forgot about it... i never use the tyne tunnel unless its late at night and there is no traffic
andy said:
Yes, and what happened? Every Welshman in the world started saying "You have to pay to get into Wales, but if you're leaving it's free!" (generally the response is "That's because people are going too fast to stop", or "you can see pound coins embedded in the concrete next to the English side of the bridge"
)AdamW said:andy said:
Yes, and what happened? Every Welshman in the world started saying "You have to pay to get into Wales, but if you're leaving it's free!" (generally the response is "That's because people are going too fast to stop", or "you can see pound coins embedded in the concrete next to the English side of the bridge"
actually, it wasnt into wales... was somewhere north of london i think
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We are being 'had over' ... Once the C charging is in, all the traffic calming, slowing, obstructing will disappear, at our cost, bingo !! "Just look how our congestion charging has worked then.." Will be the cry, and we will fall for it .... Get Labour out and dead for ever total and utter bunch of f'kin planks "Do as we say not as we do" should be their motto.
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kendor said:
dont even mention trams, they are coming back into west london
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