Commons Statement on Hillsborough

snico · 13 Sep 2012

AronSearle said:
sooey said:

You have no idea what you are talking about, perhaps you should stfu.

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Cmon, why don't you answer my question.

Would you push at people in front of you in a crowd, with no concern as to anyone vulnerable being crushed or hurt further up in the crowd.

Have some moral courage and say you would or wouldn't do it instead of hiding behind insults.

Nobody knew what was happening at the front, only the police from the control box. How can you not push forward when you are being pushed from behind and herded in that situation.

I think it is a disgrace that you can say things like that. Read the report, cause of disaster was failure of police control. Then the massive cover up to protect themselves and put the blame on the fans.

The report issued released yesterday is for people like you!

AronSearle · 13 Sep 2012

Snico, that's several times now you refuse to answer a simple question.

Would you push those in front of you if you were near or at the back.

And do you think your insults and outrage make sway me to agree with you

sooey · 13 Sep 2012

AronSearle said:
sooey said:

You have no idea what you are talking about, perhaps you should stfu.

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Cmon, why don't you answer my question.

Would you push at people in front of you in a crowd, with no concern as to anyone vulnerable being crushed or hurt further up in the crowd.

Have some moral courage and say you would or wouldn't do it instead of hiding behind insults.

Like I said. You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever been to a football match? Have you ever stood on a terrace?
You speak of moral courage? To answer a stupid irrelevant question from an idiot?
Read up on the layout of Hillsborough at that time. Read up on the circumstances which led up to the crushing. Read up on the prior knowledge of those circumstances by the FA, Sheffield Wednesday and the south yorkshire police. Read up on the fact that the ground didn't have a safety certificate. Then perhaps you'll stop asking stupid questions, because I can tell you for a fact that if you'd have been in that tunnel you would have been carried downwards on to the terrace the same as every one else.

sooey · 13 Sep 2012

And do you think your insults and outrage make sway me to agree with you

An idiot like you with no experience of that kind of situation, who is looking at it from a distance with the closed mind of said idiot would be very difficult to persuade, despite everything that was revealed yesterday, that's true. Who's fault is that?

AronSearle · 13 Sep 2012

Ohoo touched a nerve have I

Still no answer, would you, at the back, push with no regard to those up ahead.

Go on, answer that question, your insults only amuse me.

sooey · 13 Sep 2012

Your stupidity amuses me pal, go and read relevant material like you've been told. Then come back and ask your silly questions.

snico · 13 Sep 2012

AronSearle said:
Snico, that's several times now you refuse to answer a simple question.

Would you push those in front of you if you were near or at the back.

And do you think your insults and outrage make sway me to agree with you

I have answered the simple question enough now, are you really that deluded?

If the police are herding you into a specific area, what do you do?

As many fans told the police on the day, open the pens there are too many people here....if fans have the common sense to see this, why cant the police who have a better view than anyone.

If it wasnt for the fans on that day, more people could have been killed.

LargeWrench · 13 Sep 2012

AronSearle said:
Ohoo touched a nerve have I

Still no answer, would you, at the back, push with no regard to those up ahead.

Go on, answer that question, your insults only amuse me.

What exactly would you have done in the situation? How exactly would you stop yourself from pushing forward when thousands of people are behind you pushing you forward at the orders of the police? You clearly haven't got a clue what you're talking about. It's a shame that people are still trying to blame Liverpool fans despite everything that was said yesterday.

AronSearle · 13 Sep 2012

Why do people keep changing the question instead of answering it.

I asked if you were at the back, would you push?

Not, if you were in the middle being pushed would you also push (though still an interesting question).

when thousands of people are behind you pushing you forward at the orders of the police?

Who can forget the images of the police brutally whipping the back of the crowd, ONWARD they cried ONWARD.

Oh wait, no, they just incompetently handled the flow of the crowd creating a bottleneck.

No one forced those at the back of the crowd to push, so tell me, was it OK for them to push, or not, would you?

sooey · 13 Sep 2012

You've never been to a football match have you?
You've never been in that situation have you?
Or you wouldn't persist in making yourself look so stupid would you?

snico · 13 Sep 2012

AronSearle said:
Why do people keep changing the question instead of answering it.

I asked if you were at the back, would you push?

Not, if you were in the middle being pushed would you also push (though still an interesting question).

when thousands of people are behind you pushing you forward at the orders of the police?

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Who can forget the images of the police brutally whipping the back of the crowd, ONWARD they cried ONWARD.

Oh wait, no, they just incompetently handled the flow of the crowd creating a bottleneck.

No one forced those at the back of the crowd to push, so tell me, was it OK for them to push, or not, would you?

But the police DID move them forward from the back, there was only one way in.....so to answer your stupid question.......YES I WOULD HAVE PUSHED FORWARD, AS I WOULD HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO GO, AND I WAS UNDER INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE POLICE TO MOVE FORWARD.

No point even carrying on this debate with you, as you have zero knowledge of situations with large crowds at any event by the sounds of it.

obmcfc · 13 Sep 2012

As a football fan so glad the truth as come out.

I have been in similar situations (thankfully noone crushed), police pushing and shoving with horses asking us and telling us to move in 70s/80s, hitting fans with batons even if there was no space to move into.

People at back pushed trying to get into the game not knowing what was happening at front.

Also regards the police, they stopped ambulances from coming onto pitch (apart from 1) to help the injured and dying.

The coroner lied stating all the dead had died before 3.15 but at least one of the deceased still had a pulse and died in the arms of a police woman roughly 3.50

The police also changed statements and refused to listen to doctors and nurses who were there as spectators and not in a professional capacity

AronSearle · 13 Sep 2012

sooey said:
You've never been in that situation have you?

What, pushed at a load of people in front of me, in an effort to get in before kick off, with no thought to how my pushing effects those in front?

No, I haven't been in that situation.

snico said:
But the police DID move them forward from the back

Really, they physically pushed the back of the crowd or ordered the back of the crowd (which was causing the crush) to push forward.

Evidence please.

"A bottleneck developed with more fans arriving than could enter the two cages in the middle of the Leppings Lane Stand. People who had been refused entry could not leave the area because of the crush behind them but remained as an obstruction. The fans outside could hear the cheering from inside as the teams came on the pitch ten minutes before the match started, and again as the match kicked off, but could not get in; the start was not delayed while the fans got in. In one instance, a small gate was opened to eject one person, and twenty people got into the ground through it.[18] A side gate was also opened to ease the build-up. With an estimated 5,000 fans trying to get through the turnstiles, and increasing security concerns over crushing outside the turnstiles, the police, to avoid deaths outside the ground, opened a set of gates, intended as an exit, which did not have turnstiles (Gate C).[19] This decision allowed a rush of supporters through the gate into the stadium."

AronSearle · 13 Sep 2012

obmcfc said:
As a football fan so glad the truth as come out.

I have been in similar situations (thankfully noone crushed), police pushing and shoving with horses asking us and telling us to move in 70s/80s, hitting fans with batons even if there was no space to move into.

People at back pushed trying to get into the game not knowing what was happening at front.

Also regards the police, they stopped ambulances from coming onto pitch (apart from 1) to help the injured and dying.

The coroner lied stating all the dead had died before 3.15 but at least one of the deceased still had a pulse and died in the arms of a police woman roughly 3.50

The police also changed statements and refused to listen to doctors and nurses who were there as spectators and not in a professional capacity

This person gets it.

Everyone had a part to play, the fans, the police, the management.

The people who pushed should be ashamed of themselves, doubly so for trying to absolve themselves by putting all the blame on another party.

Everyone was to blame.

obmcfc · 13 Sep 2012

No don't think you get it as others have said

Fans have been blamed since the day it happened and it wasn't fans fault, the police, FA, and government are to blame for what happened and the coverup that followed not the fans

Commons Statement on Hillsborough

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