green break glasses on access control system needed or not ?

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Will be installing a door access sytem to a drug/alcohol rehab unit, the sytsem will be linked to the fire larm and so will open in event of fire anyways, but do i need to provide green break glasses aswell in order to open the doors??? They would be located inside the secure area and be above the push to exit buttons. I am thinking they will be required but not sure as to what rules are regards to this

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Nick
 
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From your description, the Fire panel link is sufficient - normally.
This being a site where public are present then it may (not always) get inspected by a Fire Officer. It is then upto him/her on whether a GBU shall be fitted, additional to the Fire Panel link.
Personally, i'd fit it anyway. And make sure its the resettable type.

Note:
GBUs are not required/essential unless the door is on the escape route/fire door etc.
 
I'm pretty sure that they are required.

Fire alarm panels have been known to go faulty & not allow exit via the door.
 
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I'm pretty sure that they are required.

Fire alarm panels have been known to go faulty & not allow exit via the door.
One or the other is all that is required - on relevant doors.
Then it depends on Fire Officer if he/she is required to certificate ithe site.
 
but for the sake of a few quid its better to fit one any way.
Then fire officer cant complain, and you don't have to go back at your expense
 
The above advice assumes Fail Safe locks, otherwise GBUs are no use.
 
Hang on, the OP proposed fitting the break glass units on the "push to exit" side of the door. Is a break glass required here? I'd think the simple push to exit retractive switch would be enough??? A break glass only being required when there is a coded lock or swipe etc.

Maglocks do failsafe except when the system has battery backup, and even without battery, I have seen mag locks with break glass units.

I have seen post office dual door latch systems where the system has a batt backup, but the doors had a small lever under a plastic dome, for emergency release. The domes had broken off so the staff would open both doors at once. :rolleyes:

I have never seen these systems linked to a fire alarm or an intruder alarm. Different companies, different contracts. They dont talk to each other. We had a building control system in one store, that would accept "occupied" signal from an intruder alarm, and turn on the light and heat. But because the sparks that wired it up didnt talk to the security guys, it was never used.
 
We had a building control system in one store, that would accept "occupied" signal from an intruder alarm, and turn on the light and heat. But because the sparks that wired it up didnt talk to the security guys, it was never used.

That will be because its a good idea, but very bad practice.

i shall expalin.

its 5 o clock in the morning, the alarm goes off (for what ever reason) the lights come on the heating comes on etc.

key holder cant be bothered to come out, or does come out but can do nothing with alarm (no break in), calls aalrm company, and agrees engineer can come out anytime today before 18.00, keyholder can also go home to sleep for a couple of hours as early crew have arrived.

Alarm engineer turns up, does what ever and resets the panel.

OH DEAR, the whole place goes dark and starts to get cold, the lights will take about 20 minutes to come back on, duty manager has to close shop (too dark to see)

Reason?

When the alarm went off it switched everything on, keyholder forgot about this, day crew did not know, alarm engineer did not know, but when alarm engineer reset alarm, light / heating over ride contactor is no longer energised, normal heat light switch was not switched on because they were already on, so the whole place goes into darkness.

Thats why most places dont use this function. (and trying toget ana alarm engineer and electrian out at the same time to sort any future problems does not always work 1,st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th time)
 
Alarm engineer turns up, does what ever and resets the panel.

OH DEAR, the whole place goes dark and starts to get cold, the lights will take about 20 minutes to come back on, duty manager has to close shop (too dark to see)

Reason?

When the alarm went off it switched everything on, keyholder forgot about this, day crew did not know, alarm engineer did not know, but when alarm engineer reset alarm, light / heating over ride contactor is no longer energised, normal heat light switch was not switched on because they were already on, so the whole place goes into darkness.

Thats why most places dont use this function. (and trying toget ana alarm engineer and electrian out at the same time to sort any future problems does not always work 1,st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th time)
It had override switches. But agreed, future problems would be an issue to resolve. The panel also had a timer, which was used for the fridges and boiler, but we used the override switches to control the lighting. I'll put a photo up when i remember.
 
but most places you have to use fail safe, i.e maglock
Not quite, you don't have to, just a more common practice.

Regarding the Push to exit, this is not allowed for emergency - you are relying on a controller to operate the realease. For Emergency/Fire/Escape doors, the lock must be failsafe and the Fire relay/GBU MUST be the last device in line with the feed to the lock. Preference here is double pole.
 
I would check some of the advice guys... If the door is intended to keep people in and only people with keys are to exit. Such as secure units. Children's homes ect then a fire panel gsm system is what is required, if it is something like I.e a bank where the control doors need to be breached in the event of a fire then break glass would be required.

You can have a lock down/ unlock button in the main office as an override if the smelly stuff was to hit the fan.

Secure units don't need the gsm at the door points as they can be used as a escape.
 

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