Uprights on old stud wall possibly supporting?

Hello,

I finally got around to major destruction on my house renovation project.
This stud wall looked to have been built over a pre existing framework consisting of 2 uprights with the cross-ties morticed into them. The work otherwise was rather cowboyish but wondering if they'd done this for convenience or kept this structure to support the roof above.



This part of the house is an outrigger (think that's the right name), originally rear extension for kitchen downstairs and a small bathroom / bed. upstairs.

I can't get access without knocking through into the loft space to look at the framing for this roof and wondered if anyone could shed light on the possibility removing this frame could cause problems.

I took other photos but might just be unnecessary so could provide if any details would be needed.

Suppose I could punch through the ceiling and have a gander in the loft space, considering whether a hatch would be useful in such a small area maybe for running cables later?

Any help appreciated and apologies if this isn't well written, tired but hoped to get posted before I collapse in hope I can get insight and get it ripped out tomorrow if advisable

Thanks for any replies

Rob H

Added more images to the album incase they're of use.

edit: added details to plan

1. Why not put up a pic of where the partition meets the ceiling?
And a pic of the right hand side of the partition-door frame?


2. Why can't you go thro the main loft to gain access to the outrigger loft?
Access would be useful for wiring and insulation.

3. Show which direction the ceiling rafters are running - in the room (typically, from wall to wall ), the bathroom and the landing?

4. I would imagine that the partition could be removed, but come back with 1. 2. and 3. before any more demo.

5. What is your ultimate purpose in the above area? Do you intend to open up the bathroom?

1, Sorry My photos of these parts had come out badly and didn't show much.

2, The 'main' roofing frames slope right down to the upstairs ceiling right across the outrigger section. Or at least I haven't seen any kind of access hole but I shall investigate tomorrow morning.

3, Rafters run across, parallel with the studwall in question.

4, Will try get better close-up images of the woodwork connecting to the ceiling and beyond.

5, I'm moving the wall to create a bigger bathroom area. Ideally about 300mm, but maybe more to get the the next floor joist (haven't checked the centres yet). currently 1670mm across bathroom and 2365mm for the box room. with current layout you knees are touching the bath when you're sat on the throne :S

Thanks for reply, shall hopefully be able to reply via my phone tomorrow

*editted the 2nd image to give more info

Given the joist run it's safe to remove the partition - real slow and steady.

Cut all paint and plaster before dropping the ceiling crosspiece. First remove any tile above the bath.

Cover your bathroom fixtures esp the bath.

Be cautious when levering near the door post. Have both doors shut.

Is there any possibility of moving your bathroom to the far end of the bed room - otherwise you will have a short, wasted space passage for the bedroom door.

Protect the bath?

All to be replaced

Will heed your advice on advancing, thanks

Unfortunately the corridor dead space is unavoidable without losing the bedroom which i'd do if not for the property value effect.

Its the only bathroom in the house currently and only expansion really on the cards would be an en-suite in the front bedroom.

Next question will be creating a new internal a doorway downstairs but I need more info to give and photos

Rob H