Can anyone identify this method for Cat5 wiring?

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Hi,

Can anyone recognise this distribution frame in respect of CAT5 data cabling? I'm assuming the patchleads are terminated on the 110 IDC connectors but I have never seen one before.

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Stephen
 
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I assume that on the other side there are 8P8C sockets?

The patch leads plug into those.

I can't make out the colours/legends on the IDC terminals.
 
As far as I can see they are fixed to the wall, the reverse side having similar IDC connectors for the fixed cabling. I can't get access to the site as it's an office that is under negotiation at the moment, but will try to get another look. It looks almost like an old MDF frame used for telecoms but the agent insisted this was for data, the phones being in a seperate frame.

Thanks

Stephen
 
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Based on a quick viewing around the office I have been asked the question "Will that be ok for our IT?" I'm guessing if not the powers that be will take a different approach to the negotiation of the lease.
 
I haven't seen one quite like it before either but heres my throughts

The way it's color coded with a repeating four color pattern does make it look like it's for use with four pair cables. My guess is either it was made by a telephone equipment vendor for use with cat5 cable or someone has taken a telco frame and added color coding for cat5 with a set of marker pens.

What speeds are you trying to run, 10 megabit will run through almost any twisted pair cable (and on short runs you'd probablly get away without twisted) as long as two pairs are availble to each computer. 100 megabit is fairly tolerant as long as the cable is at least cat5 and you have at least two pairs available for each computer. 1 Gigabit is less tolerant and needs all four pairs.

Chances are if someone has previously been using it from data and you are able to live with 100 megabit it will be usable. Gigabit may or may not be doable.

Be aware that those kind of IDCs are only designed for use with solid cable while most patch cables are stranded. So you will likely have to crimp up your own cables to go between that and your switch (and make sure the RJ45s you buy are designed for solid cable).
 
Something in my dim distant memory tells me it could be an old AT&T type data frame. Don't know where I pulled that from but I know I've seen them before. And of course they do not accommodate the now standard RJ45 connectors but a long flat connector if that shady memory is correct.

Mind you, I've been in the comms/data business for 40+ years so who knows? :confused:
 
Thanks for the information, you might be right with AT&T as the next photo i have says Alcatel Lucent.

Thanks again

Stephen
 
Thanks for the information, you might be right with AT&T as the next photo i have says Alcatel Lucent.

Thanks again

Stephen

That makes sense. Good to know my grey-matter still has its uses :D
 
Thanks for the information, you might be right with AT&T as the next photo i have says Alcatel Lucent.

Thanks again

Stephen

That makes sense. Good to know my grey-matter still has its uses :D
 
Something in my dim distant memory tells me it could be an old AT&T type data frame.
Spot on. "110" connectors which use a different punchdown tool to Krone terminations.

I used a set of that stuff some years ago for a job. I was wiring up multiple sets of serial ports - Chase IO Pro units. For my needs, I didn't want to use their standard pinout on the RJ45s, plus it's a right pain trying to swap out a unit when you patch them direct. So I made a large board, pigtails with RJ45 plugs on one end to go into the IO Pro units, and through these terminations to get to the pinouts I wanted on standard patch panels. TBH a lot of work for not a huge benefit but it did look impressive !

Underneath those punchdown blocks will be a plastic frame. The fixed wiring is laid into that, with the wires in the slots. The connector blocks are them pushed in, thus IDC terminating the back end of the block to the wires in the slots behind. You can now connect to the front side either with patch cords, or by punching down.

As the patch cords are "non standard", these would be most useful as an intermediate distribution point - as in bulk cabling comes into the back, then individual cables come off the front to the workplace sockets. This is a technique sometimes used in an environment where stuff moves around from time to time - eg cubicle farms. Allows the endpoint sockets to be re-done without having to re-cable all the way back to the distribution room.

Anyway, those connector blocks come in multiple sizes - 2, 3, 4, 5? pair - to suit the application. But, they clip on and can't be easily removed once pushed into place.

Some more reading :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110_block

And a Molex datasheet
http://www.rockby.com.au/DSheets/30440.pdf
 
PS - if considering the office on the basis of having existing cabling installation, check that it's actually still there, still connected, documented, and working ! It's far from uncommon to find teh rack and patch panels have been removed leaving a "stump" of cut off cables which are neither labelled nor long enough to be re-terminated.

As there's nothing in the front of those connectors, I can only assume that the underside connections are wired out to the sockets in the office, and you'll need to buy a load of 110 to RJ45 patch leads to be able to use them.

You should probably ask to test a random selection - but of course you'll need at least one patch lead to do this. One reason for testing is to find out which standard they used for the connections (258A/568B, 568B, AT&T) or even no standard at all !


PPS - Krone have a product designed to be used in a similar way - called Highband. Here's a paper on how they suggest it is used. One other advantage is that you can patch individual pairs - so for backbone cabling it's easy to use 4 pairs for 4off phone lines and so on.
 
We have a similar system in our office fro comms & data with the two being interchangeable.
We have 4 output floor boxes that can be used for either that are hard wired to one of these frames, jumpers are either data or comm
 
Yes, that's how it should be done - the sockets out in the office are "just sockets" and only become data or voice (or anything else) once connected up. I have seen so called structured cabling where sockets are labelled D or V (Data or Voice), and in one case I recall they all went back to the same place and they'd terminated them differently (data on RJ45 patch panels, voice on 110? terminals but still using patch cords) :rolleyes:

The other common problem (less of an issue these days now that it's "established tech") is managers being absolutely adamant that the office layout they've drawn "is it" - there will never ever be any other layout, no extra sockets are needed, etc. Usually there are extra sockets needed before they finish moving in and it's hard not proclaim loudly "I told you so".
 
Thanks for all your help. I think another site visit is in order to verify the cabling as rewiring would probably add a few k to the budget.
 

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